Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
10-02-2011 | 05:38 PM
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10-02-2011 | 05:44 PM
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10-02-2011 | 05:46 PM
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Here's something to keep in mind when you fill out your contract survey:
Delta Pilots C2K Restoration Facts
(Contract 2013 Survey Reference Guide)
■2004 LOA #46 concessions saves Delta nearly $1B per year[1]
■2006 LOA #51 Pilot Pension termination savings potential excess of $1B[2]
■Concessions1: Since 2004 (just a few of the highlights)
■32.5% Pay Cut = 29.5% when adjusted for pay rate increases through 2012
(Requires a 41.5% increase to restore C2K w/o a COLA)
■(PMNW) 29% total Pay Cut = 5% when adjusted for 2012 B757 pay rates
(received a 33% increase to this rate)
■Per Diem Reduced (Int. $2.90 to $2.50, Dom. $2.40 to $2.00)
■Night Pay lost (CA - $15, FO - $10)
■International Pay reduced (CA - $8 to $6, FO - $6 to $4)
■Reduced Vacation Day Value (3.75 to 3.0)
■Lost 6th week of Vacation
■Sick Leave Bank system greatly reduced & diluted
■Accident Leave reduced (120 days to 90 days)
■Change to PBS scheduling system with loss of reserve High/Low Yellow Slip
■Monthly Cap system changed to ALV reducing the minimum monthly guarantees
■Delta 2008 Contract vs Industry Leaders[3]: (a few more highlights)
■15+ year CA B767, $189hr vs $262hr (a 39% increase, C2K = $268hr)
■12 year FO % of CA pay, 68.3% vs 71.6%
■Regular Line Guarantee, 65hrs vs 81hrs
■Reserve Line Guarantee, 70hrs vs 81hrs
■Vacation Pay Per Day, 3.00hrs vs 6.00hrs
■Training Pay, 3:15hrs vs 4:40hrs (3:30 if <6:00hrs, think CQ on CD or distance learning)
■Sick Leave, 240hrs (3yr spread) w/ no bank vs 90hrs year w/ 1080hr bank
■Medical PPO + Dental monthly premium, $399 vs $35
■Disability Pay, 50% vs 66.6%
■Delta carries 160 million passengers per year[4]
■Delta has successfully raised fares 10 times this year $6 - $10 round trip[5]
■Delta made $952M in “Baggage Fees” alone during 2010[6]
■A $1B contract restoration would cost $6.25 per passengers
(This happens to be the price of Delta’s “Fruit & Cheese Plate” or a Venti, Non-fat Latte)
Can Delta Air Lines afford to restore C2K ? or even C2K+ ?
Tell DALPA what YOU think, fill out the survey AND contact your LEC representatives.
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[1] DALPA 2011 Contract History
[2] AirWise News, US Bankruptcy Court – Reuters, 9/5/06
[3] DALPA 2011 Contract Comparison
[4] Delta News Release 7/6/11, news.delta.com
[5] J.P.Morgan – Jamie Baker, USA Today 9/9/11
[6] AirlineReporter.com 7/1/11
Delta Pilots C2K Restoration Facts
(Contract 2013 Survey Reference Guide)
■2004 LOA #46 concessions saves Delta nearly $1B per year[1]
■2006 LOA #51 Pilot Pension termination savings potential excess of $1B[2]
■Concessions1: Since 2004 (just a few of the highlights)
■32.5% Pay Cut = 29.5% when adjusted for pay rate increases through 2012
(Requires a 41.5% increase to restore C2K w/o a COLA)
■(PMNW) 29% total Pay Cut = 5% when adjusted for 2012 B757 pay rates
(received a 33% increase to this rate)
■Per Diem Reduced (Int. $2.90 to $2.50, Dom. $2.40 to $2.00)
■Night Pay lost (CA - $15, FO - $10)
■International Pay reduced (CA - $8 to $6, FO - $6 to $4)
■Reduced Vacation Day Value (3.75 to 3.0)
■Lost 6th week of Vacation
■Sick Leave Bank system greatly reduced & diluted
■Accident Leave reduced (120 days to 90 days)
■Change to PBS scheduling system with loss of reserve High/Low Yellow Slip
■Monthly Cap system changed to ALV reducing the minimum monthly guarantees
■Delta 2008 Contract vs Industry Leaders[3]: (a few more highlights)
■15+ year CA B767, $189hr vs $262hr (a 39% increase, C2K = $268hr)
■12 year FO % of CA pay, 68.3% vs 71.6%
■Regular Line Guarantee, 65hrs vs 81hrs
■Reserve Line Guarantee, 70hrs vs 81hrs
■Vacation Pay Per Day, 3.00hrs vs 6.00hrs
■Training Pay, 3:15hrs vs 4:40hrs (3:30 if <6:00hrs, think CQ on CD or distance learning)
■Sick Leave, 240hrs (3yr spread) w/ no bank vs 90hrs year w/ 1080hr bank
■Medical PPO + Dental monthly premium, $399 vs $35
■Disability Pay, 50% vs 66.6%
■Delta carries 160 million passengers per year[4]
■Delta has successfully raised fares 10 times this year $6 - $10 round trip[5]
■Delta made $952M in “Baggage Fees” alone during 2010[6]
■A $1B contract restoration would cost $6.25 per passengers
(This happens to be the price of Delta’s “Fruit & Cheese Plate” or a Venti, Non-fat Latte)
Can Delta Air Lines afford to restore C2K ? or even C2K+ ?
Tell DALPA what YOU think, fill out the survey AND contact your LEC representatives.
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[1] DALPA 2011 Contract History
[2] AirWise News, US Bankruptcy Court – Reuters, 9/5/06
[3] DALPA 2011 Contract Comparison
[4] Delta News Release 7/6/11, news.delta.com
[5] J.P.Morgan – Jamie Baker, USA Today 9/9/11
[6] AirlineReporter.com 7/1/11
10-02-2011 | 05:49 PM
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Newk, check pm.
And no it has nothing to do with your @$&@&$ bears.
And no it has nothing to do with your @$&@&$ bears.
10-02-2011 | 05:54 PM
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10-02-2011 | 05:57 PM
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Clempson? As in Clemson?
For Clemson fans, word to the wise, you are about to have an awesome year. I can see an undefeated season and... well see Auburn 2004 for more details.
For Clemson fans, word to the wise, you are about to have an awesome year. I can see an undefeated season and... well see Auburn 2004 for more details.
10-02-2011 | 06:11 PM
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How 'bout them Badgers? Your prediction that they'll be in the bcs championship looks much better after that thrashing they put on Nebraska.
10-02-2011 | 06:11 PM
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Here's something to keep in mind when you fill out your contract survey:
Delta Pilots C2K Restoration Facts
(Contract 2013 Survey Reference Guide)
■2004 LOA #46 concessions saves Delta nearly $1B per year[1]
■2006 LOA #51 Pilot Pension termination savings potential excess of $1B[2]
■Concessions1: Since 2004 (just a few of the highlights)
■32.5% Pay Cut = 29.5% when adjusted for pay rate increases through 2012
(Requires a 41.5% increase to restore C2K w/o a COLA)
■(PMNW) 29% total Pay Cut = 5% when adjusted for 2012 B757 pay rates
(received a 33% increase to this rate)
■Per Diem Reduced (Int. $2.90 to $2.50, Dom. $2.40 to $2.00)
■Night Pay lost (CA - $15, FO - $10)
■International Pay reduced (CA - $8 to $6, FO - $6 to $4)
■Reduced Vacation Day Value (3.75 to 3.0)
■Lost 6th week of Vacation
■Sick Leave Bank system greatly reduced & diluted
■Accident Leave reduced (120 days to 90 days)
■Change to PBS scheduling system with loss of reserve High/Low Yellow Slip
■Monthly Cap system changed to ALV reducing the minimum monthly guarantees
■Delta 2008 Contract vs Industry Leaders[3]: (a few more highlights)
■15+ year CA B767, $189hr vs $262hr (a 39% increase, C2K = $268hr)
■12 year FO % of CA pay, 68.3% vs 71.6%
■Regular Line Guarantee, 65hrs vs 81hrs
■Reserve Line Guarantee, 70hrs vs 81hrs
■Vacation Pay Per Day, 3.00hrs vs 6.00hrs
■Training Pay, 3:15hrs vs 4:40hrs (3:30 if <6:00hrs, think CQ on CD or distance learning)
■Sick Leave, 240hrs (3yr spread) w/ no bank vs 90hrs year w/ 1080hr bank
■Medical PPO + Dental monthly premium, $399 vs $35
■Disability Pay, 50% vs 66.6%
■Delta carries 160 million passengers per year[4]
■Delta has successfully raised fares 10 times this year $6 - $10 round trip[5]
■Delta made $952M in “Baggage Fees” alone during 2010[6]
■A $1B contract restoration would cost $6.25 per passengers
(This happens to be the price of Delta’s “Fruit & Cheese Plate” or a Venti, Non-fat Latte)
Can Delta Air Lines afford to restore C2K ? or even C2K+ ?
Tell DALPA what YOU think, fill out the survey AND contact your LEC representatives.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[1] DALPA 2011 Contract History
[2] AirWise News, US Bankruptcy Court – Reuters, 9/5/06
[3] DALPA 2011 Contract Comparison
[4] Delta News Release 7/6/11, news.delta.com
[5] J.P.Morgan – Jamie Baker, USA Today 9/9/11
[6] AirlineReporter.com 7/1/11
Delta Pilots C2K Restoration Facts
(Contract 2013 Survey Reference Guide)
■2004 LOA #46 concessions saves Delta nearly $1B per year[1]
■2006 LOA #51 Pilot Pension termination savings potential excess of $1B[2]
■Concessions1: Since 2004 (just a few of the highlights)
■32.5% Pay Cut = 29.5% when adjusted for pay rate increases through 2012
(Requires a 41.5% increase to restore C2K w/o a COLA)
■(PMNW) 29% total Pay Cut = 5% when adjusted for 2012 B757 pay rates
(received a 33% increase to this rate)
■Per Diem Reduced (Int. $2.90 to $2.50, Dom. $2.40 to $2.00)
■Night Pay lost (CA - $15, FO - $10)
■International Pay reduced (CA - $8 to $6, FO - $6 to $4)
■Reduced Vacation Day Value (3.75 to 3.0)
■Lost 6th week of Vacation
■Sick Leave Bank system greatly reduced & diluted
■Accident Leave reduced (120 days to 90 days)
■Change to PBS scheduling system with loss of reserve High/Low Yellow Slip
■Monthly Cap system changed to ALV reducing the minimum monthly guarantees
■Delta 2008 Contract vs Industry Leaders[3]: (a few more highlights)
■15+ year CA B767, $189hr vs $262hr (a 39% increase, C2K = $268hr)
■12 year FO % of CA pay, 68.3% vs 71.6%
■Regular Line Guarantee, 65hrs vs 81hrs
■Reserve Line Guarantee, 70hrs vs 81hrs
■Vacation Pay Per Day, 3.00hrs vs 6.00hrs
■Training Pay, 3:15hrs vs 4:40hrs (3:30 if <6:00hrs, think CQ on CD or distance learning)
■Sick Leave, 240hrs (3yr spread) w/ no bank vs 90hrs year w/ 1080hr bank
■Medical PPO + Dental monthly premium, $399 vs $35
■Disability Pay, 50% vs 66.6%
■Delta carries 160 million passengers per year[4]
■Delta has successfully raised fares 10 times this year $6 - $10 round trip[5]
■Delta made $952M in “Baggage Fees” alone during 2010[6]
■A $1B contract restoration would cost $6.25 per passengers
(This happens to be the price of Delta’s “Fruit & Cheese Plate” or a Venti, Non-fat Latte)
Can Delta Air Lines afford to restore C2K ? or even C2K+ ?
Tell DALPA what YOU think, fill out the survey AND contact your LEC representatives.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[1] DALPA 2011 Contract History
[2] AirWise News, US Bankruptcy Court – Reuters, 9/5/06
[3] DALPA 2011 Contract Comparison
[4] Delta News Release 7/6/11, news.delta.com
[5] J.P.Morgan – Jamie Baker, USA Today 9/9/11
[6] AirlineReporter.com 7/1/11
1) Under "concessions since 2004", we took two pay cuts, not one. The first one (prior to BK) was 32.5%. The second one (during BK) was 14%. Cumulative effect of a 42% pay cut. So that should read 42%, not 32.5%. Edit: And after adjusting for pay rate increases through 2012, the number is just under 29.1%, not 29.5%.
2) To restore our C2K rates with COLA requires a 70% increase. Might want to add that for additional SA.
Last edited by DAL 88 Driver; 10-02-2011 at 07:48 PM. Reason: found one other small mistake in original document
10-02-2011 | 06:11 PM
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From: Going to hell in a bucket, but enjoying the ride .
Hey, you guys are missing Pan Am right now...
See how it's supposed to be, or useta wuz.
See how it's supposed to be, or useta wuz.
10-02-2011 | 06:15 PM
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You're only half right. He's welcomed them into the DPA, but he's not said he would like to retain much of them. He's welcomed them to run right along with the rest of us. This is in stark contrast to what I'm hearing about DALPA wanting to Article 8 DTW out of DALPA because of Detroit's very large support of the DPA.
Carl
Carl
- Doesn't Atlanta have greater "support" than Detroit?
- How would killing (Section 8) the Council 20 help? It would seem that would encourage the rest of Detroit to join.
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