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Old 10-02-2011 | 12:42 PM
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Old 10-02-2011 | 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
ALPA is more than a vendor. You could get away with that explanation if not one pilot for your airline, on your seniority list volunteered or worked for ALPA, but that is not the case.

Last time I checked, people who hire vendors do not work for them.
I work with my vendors all the time to ensure they become better vendors. Our pilot volunteers do the same thing. But the vendor is arrogant, deaf and is certain you'll never fire them. As Lee Seham correctly states, ALPA keeps their status in the same way a wife beater keeps his wife: "Look honey, I know you hate me...and you're right. But you'll never make it out there on your own. You need me, and I'll really try to never hit you again."

Pretty sick example, but it's how ALPA stays in power. It's certainly not through results.

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Old 10-02-2011 | 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Enemyofthestate
That whole compounding argument assumes sustained growth. That paradigm may be on the way out the door. In the world of flat or sustained negative returns getting and living debt free makes a lot of sense.

Has anyone ever met a financial advisory that told you to get out of the market or not buy and hold?
Actually - I know some - they just don't manage in the 401K space.
Old 10-02-2011 | 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Again, this has nothing to do with the actual facts written by Massey. Those facts clearly show to me that we have an MEC professional bureaucracy interested in consolidating their power and further marginalizing locals reps and line pilots.

Carl
I liked the article. I believe it was also an editorial, and the facts as you state them were frequently qualified with "in my opinion".

I think if all the DPA supporters wear their hats they will surely prevail
Old 10-02-2011 | 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Fly4hire
There was a resolution (AI 11-137) passed at the last MEC meeting to post a comprehensive list of all ALPA volunteers on the MEC website so you should be able to find who is on what committee there.
Actually, could you point me in the correct direction on this. I looked on the MEC Website and could not find the volunteer list.

Wasn't this resolution passed in SLC?
Old 10-02-2011 | 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
If I was the on the board of that company (you the line pilot) I would not want to declare CH7 and start a new company, I would want to find a way to create value in the current one. I would demand that my CEO (LEC Reps) clean house, and if they did not they would be gone too.
Interesting analogy and way to look at this impassioned debate.

However, instead of "creating value and demanding the CEO clean house," I see that the more effective way to change is to force an LBO/take over.

You are forgetiing that the house not only has a leaking basement but is also structurally unsound. It is as if it has irrepairable termite damage.
Old 10-02-2011 | 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by TheManager
Interesting analogy and way to look at this impassioned debate.

However, instead of "creating value and demanding the CEO clean house," I see that the more effective way to change is to force an LBO/take over.

You are forgetiing that the house not only has a leaking basement but is also structurally unsound. It is as if it has irrepairable termite damage.
Yeah, and a big percentage of your home owner's association dues are going to support the folks living in trailers parked all over your property.
Old 10-02-2011 | 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
If National negotiated not just signed your contract, you may have a point. With regards to what National does for major v regional pilots, lets look at issues they have a real stake in. Legislative, Regulatory, Safety Related, etc. All of those issues are issues every pilot group agrees on.

Frankly, all of the ALPA services are bought by our dues dollars, and at a cheaper price than we would do as a stand a lone association. When they are working for us, they work for our goals, not some other groups. Lets do away with that notion. This of course does not imply that certain individuals that have been at national have not had incorrect or failed policies. That comes down to a people/ individual leader issue, not an organization issue.

I much prefer to fight collectively on issues than as individual pilot groups. You see that the proposed limit for a new 121 pilot will be almost 500% higher than it is today. That is a major win. It may not be 1500 hrs, but it is to the point that someone needs a flying job before flying 121 passengers. Furthermore, it is also attainable enough that the argument for the MPL will fall on deaf ears.

ACL;

We all know where you stand and respect your well informed opinions. But I gotta throw the BS flag on this post, so I quoted it as a placeholder. There are 5 pages for me to read, if this hasn't been sufficiently squashed in those pages, I'll take a swing.
Old 10-02-2011 | 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Carl;
DPA will go away just like PPA did when a new contract is signed. POS 96 was not a winner of a contract either, but PPA died off.
Different time and era.

Today we have a handful of major airlines that basically subsidize many regionals.

Today we have conflict of interest with the same regionals, and newer ones, as they fly larger equipment in greater numbers than in '95

Today we have potentially bankrupting judgements against ALPA being decided after a jury has found them guilt of DFR.

Today we have airlines living under bankruptcy contracts struggling to restore wages and benefits while a tone deaf ALPA continues to live lavishly.

I could go on and on; I'll leave it for others.

However, ALPA is now like an over extended game of Jenga. One mistep and the whole structure comes down. If DAL left ALPA, could they survive without the revenue? Would the other members agree that an increase in dues would be exceptable to maintain ALPA? Would we agree to that if UAL left and DAL remained? How about an assesment to cover their legal failings?

Point is ACL, PPA and DPA are not even comparable. In all likelihood if DPA or UPA or any other independent is formed, it will be due to self inflicted wounds on ALPA's part. And that over extended game of Jenga, they are the only one playing it now and pulling pieces out of it. DPA can wait til it crashes down, then rebuild. They might not even have to push for the extra 2000 cards. They will come in in numbers greater than that when the wound comes.

The potentially biggest self inflicted wound will be the opener.



Good night. Got football to catch up on now that I can find real football on tv. Not that round ball stuff.

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Old 10-02-2011 | 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Any opinions, or has anyone tried, Financial Engines service to manage your 401K?

I looked around last year for a service to manage my "portfolio*" and every one wanted me to come out from my 50% cash position and go 100% into their fund families. That did not seem like such a hot idea and so far I am down about 7% for the year on the balanced funds. The best investment of the year has been a 4% cash loan to myself.

It is amazing how poorly the 401K has performed. On the other hand my taxable play money invested locally has done quite well.

Anybody doing anything that works without constant babysitting?

Retirement for us is going to be a lot different than it has been for our parents (and Leo and Michelle )

* Akin to my daughter's hamsters talking about their "Mansion"

This is not intended as financial advice, DYODD, you are responsible for your own actions.

Bar; FWIW

If you haven't set up a brokeragelink do it first thing monday morning. Put all available investable assets there (sitting in a tax exempt moneymarket trust). The market is going to fall off a cliff within the next 2 weeks... sooner rather than later.

Wait for the market to hit bottom...by 3rd week in Oct. Buy a good 3X etf like tna or erx. Plan to sell in april sometime and shift your holdings to a 3X inverse etf like FAZ. Rinse repeat. Not much babysitting required.

FWIW, from the guy who bought erx monday (not friday) at 30.80 and sold tues for 38, a 25% gain in two days in full view of you folks.

Again, not investment advice, do your own due diligence, your mileage may vary, you are responsible for your own actions, etc.
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