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Old 09-27-2011, 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by iaflyer
I've got a new standard for my landings - soft, hard, or "tear the engines off hard":



Accident: Aeropostal DC95 at Puerto Ordaz on Sep 26th 2011, hard landing tears engines off

An Aeropostal Douglas DC-9-50, registration YV136T performing flight VH-342 from Caracas to Puerto Ordaz (Venezuela) with 125 passengers and 5 crew, made a hard touch down at Puerto Ordaz causing both engines' (JT8D) pylons and support structures at the airframe to crack and distort nearly separating the engines from the airframe. The airplane slowed safely, stopped on the runway and was shut down. No injuries occurred, the aircraft received substantial damage. The passengers disembarked onto the runway.

The aircraft was later towed off the runway.

No Metars and no local weather station data of Puerto Ordaz/Ciudad Guayana are available.

Accident: Aeropostal DC95 at Puerto Ordaz on Sep 26th 2011, hard landing tears engines off



Well at least the tail stayed attached.
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Old 09-27-2011, 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyZ
Admittedly, DAL is in a different place than AA. However, I think we are starting to see the legacy response to this exciting wave of retirements we have been looking forward to. From the AA thread:

Looking like between 100-150. And what does AA do? Shrink the schedule another 4% due to pilot shortages.
Am I wrong, I haven't followed it all that closely, but these retirements seem to be akin to Delta 2004/2005 right now, don't they?
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Old 09-27-2011, 06:21 PM
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Am I wrong, I haven't followed it all that closely, but these retirements seem to be akin to Delta 2004/2005 right now, don't they?
Yep, their pilots that are eligible to take the lump sum are doing so and running knowing full well that CH11 would take it all away. Their PB will be massively underfunded when they enter and as a result it too will be sent to the PBGC.
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Old 09-27-2011, 06:29 PM
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Yep, their pilots that are eligible to take the lump sum are doing so and running knowing full well that CH11 would take it all away. Their PB will be massively underfunded when they enter and as a result it too will be sent to the PBGC.
Now under the new bk laws, things will not be so easy for AA should they choose that route.

....and it sure as heck won't help us in our hunt for a nice contract.
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Old 09-27-2011, 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Now under the new bk laws, things will not be so easy for AA should they choose that route.

....and it sure as heck won't help us in our hunt for a nice contract.

I have been hearing this same thing for years now.

Does anyone know: What substantial changes to the bankruptcy laws make bankruptcy life so much more difficult for companies today?
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Old 09-27-2011, 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
I have been hearing this same thing for years now.

Does anyone know: What substantial changes to the bankruptcy laws make bankruptcy life so much more difficult for companies today?

Little was done to the laws in the way of labor protection, no matter what anyone thinks they still can come after the employees, and they will.

What changed was the ability to shed debt and back out of lease agreements etc.

One of the biggest changes that really is the wild card is: The corporation has normally been able to maintain DIP (Debtor in Position) though the entire process. The rules were amended to only allow a 180 day window of allowing the corporate officers the ability to be DIP before the creditors are allowed to submit their own plan.

In AMR's case that really is the wild card if they do not have a prepackaged deal already done before filing. Many of their creditors want to see the industry shrunk and consolidated ever more. Because of this, if they pass the 180 day mark their creditors may see supreme value in parting the company out to the other airlines and as a result gain a better risk on all of their outstanding debt in the airline sector.
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Old 09-27-2011, 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Little was done to the laws in the way of labor protection, no matter what anyone thinks they still can come after the employees, and they will.

What changed was the ability to shed debt and back out of lease agreements etc.

One of the biggest changes that really is the wild card is: The corporation has normally been able to maintain DIP (Debtor in Position) though the entire process. The rules were amended to only allow a 180 day window of allowing the corporate officers the ability to be DIP before the creditors are allowed to submit their own plan.

In AMR's case that really is the wild card if they do not have a prepackaged deal already done before filing. Many of their creditors want to see the industry shrunk and consolidated ever more. Because of this, if they pass the 180 day mark their creditors may see supreme value in parting the company out to the other airlines and as a result gain a better risk on all of their outstanding debt in the airline sector.

I had heard that our new BK laws were similar to the ones used in europe for years. Your explanation backs that up. Basically, declare BK and you have a short window to get all creditors aligned and happy or liquidation is a strong possibility.

The reason for my question following clamp's statement is that numerous companies have filed, but I haven't been paying attention to liquidation stats (except for banks).

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Old 09-27-2011, 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
......If we just strut in and slam pay rates on the mediator's table with 60% raises because we're awesome and we deserve them, rest assured we will be laughed out of the room........
That's OK, as long as we have the last laugh.
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Old 09-27-2011, 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Little was done to the laws in the way of labor protection, no matter what anyone thinks they still can come after the employees, and they will.

What changed was the ability to shed debt and back out of lease agreements etc.

One of the biggest changes that really is the wild card is: The corporation has normally been able to maintain DIP (Debtor in Position) though the entire process. The rules were amended to only allow a 180 day window of allowing the corporate officers the ability to be DIP before the creditors are allowed to submit their own plan.

In AMR's case that really is the wild card if they do not have a prepackaged deal already done before filing. Many of their creditors want to see the industry shrunk and consolidated ever more. Because of this, if they pass the 180 day mark their creditors may see supreme value in parting the company out to the other airlines and as a result gain a better risk on all of their outstanding debt in the airline sector.
Exactly what I was alluding to, although not so eloquently.
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Old 09-27-2011, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1

Clamp;

How's fifi school?
Really enjoying it! The MCDU is way different, but after a day of playing with it, it's no problem. Just have to remember that line selecting opens up a sub menu and doesn't drop that fix or item into the scratchpad! If you walk in on day 1 with the understanding that it is very much not a boeing, it's a bit less of a shock to the system. Many functions are the same that we are used to, but it is accessed and/or implemented differently.

2 people senior to me have dropped out, 1 person senior to me bid in... and yet somehow I've moved back to 86%?? Something is a bit fishy on the projected category list. I'm tired of how senior everything in ATL goes.


Oh yeah... and for you senior people, it won't let you go around and the tail falls off. Half the 330 guys have come down with malaria just from stepping inside the sims!
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