ACL- We all want restoration of our contract. The loan and sacrafice that we and our families have given this company in their time of need has to be reconciled with. Particularly now that executive compensation at DAL is highest of all major airlines. A pay raise on top of that would be nice. As a minimum, we have the nothing less than SWA crowd arguing with the DALPA acolytes, as they try to manage expectations down, over trip pay and w2's.

C12K is a an emotional and angst ridden topic. We have a contract comparison that is skewed towards airlines and data that doesn't reflect all of our competitors. It is missing data on KLM/AF, and that information will not materialize, if it does, until after the survey closes.

Basically, there is already an organized effort to manage expectations down.

Why one might ask?

Perhaps some math and basic human behavior can answer the ? and might be a key to better aligning our goals and needs.

DALPA reps make 92 hours a mo. on the highest equipment they can hold in any base. Add to that a $1,000.00/mo. stipend.

Assuming there are reps that are on the 75/76A that can hold 777A on paper, here is the difference.

767a @ 182hr @ 70 hrs (for oct) grosses $12,740

777a @ 217hr @ 92 hrs (always) grosses $20,872 with the stipend. Disclaimer: these are basic gross figures and don't include any other income i.e. green slips.

I think there are some among us that are already getting restoration pay. And, why would they risk upsetting the apple cart. Might they be motivated for a status quo agreement that is comfortable for the company and Wall Street?

Now, back to ACL's point. What if the disenfranchised pilots that are frustrated with the current tone and management of expectations became engaged and changed the compensation for DALPA volunteers to what they currently hold at the average line value for that category. Throw in the stipend and per diem and thats it.

I imagine that very quickly we all would be fighting for restoration.

I am short on the details of whether this would be a resolution change, policy manual change, or involve recalls, but if the pilots want it and support it, it could be organized and happen. A showing of grass roots unity to achieve true unity. We all need to be pulling the same oars in the same boat.

 

Ok, there is your solution to these issues. It does not matter if it is a Policy Manual or a By Law issue, it all starts with a resolution at the LEC level.

Having one or two pilots show up at a meeting will not cut it, it needs to be a group of pilots who goes to the web boards, starts a web page and gets the message out there. Doing that, creating the hype will get your fellow pilots to show up. Also make sure it is on the advance agenda so that Proxies count.

Carl states that everyone has tried, and failed, but I ask how many have tried as a grassroots group, not an individual. To facilitate the change you demand takes more than a few pilots, it takes the numbers that DPA touts.

 

9700-9500 or 970-950?



Here is my thing, I see this politically and thus this is not a static issue, if it were, sure it could drop precipitously and permanently. Investors are to me like people betting on a game while it's transpiring. They're reacting and many times waiting. They build in to their moves what they believe will happen months ahead. They know the more the economy falters the more likely a change, 2008 was a perfect example, and they look at what the change might be and they react. IF they don't like what they're seeing now they see a change as good and you don't sell out when you think next year will be better.

They're thinking spring 2012 not October 2011. No different then Delta surveying the landscape and then adjusting seat inventory for next year.

I don't think the economy will fall as much as some fear frankly because the more it falls the more money you have in your pocket as energy costs decrease. But I'd say no lower 9900 through this time next year unless a catalyst that is unforeseen at this time happens.



That's my argument for no lower than

 

How about a resolution to publish all pay?

 

The good reps are on the phone at all hours of the day making things right for pilots.
They deserve every penny and more...

As for our management, I wouldn't want any other airlines management right now including GK. If they maneuver Delta to greatness, that's all I care.

Its all about what you get for the money, results.

Delta pilots with a contract that leads the industry in pay, work-rules and qol.
Delta pilots with a career progression/seniority that is positive and better than projected.

Lets hope we can achieve both!

Cheers
George

 

Food for thought (hypothetical): Delta becomes a financially successful holding company with no Delta pilots.

What's good for Delta financially is not necessarily good for Delta pilots.

Perhaps we ought to only permit JV, codeshare and DCI flying if it protects Delta pilot jobs. Maybe a ticket on a JV, CS or DCI must touch a flight operated by a Delta pilot.

Cheers
George

 

No, not new here. I happen to believe that not all is lost and wish more would make contact with their reps...maybe a lurker will send a text or email.

 

DALPA "reps" do not make 92 hours a month or get any stipend. The reps, you know the guys with the votes, the guys who elect the MEC officers, negotiators, the guys who make up the MEC etc., get paid what they bid on the equipment they fly at their base.

 

Oh. Pardon my transgression. So, is it the MEC Committee members, officers, etc. then that are compensated at 92 hours a month plus a stipend? Please enlighten us. Who all exactly is compensated at that level?

 

SWA management.