Go Back  Airline Pilot Central Forums > Airline Pilot Forums > Major > Delta
Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta? >

Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?

Search

Notices

Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 10-02-2011 | 05:02 AM
  #77021  
acl65pilot's Avatar
Happy to be here
 
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 18,563
Likes: 0
From: A-320A
Default

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
It was written by the DTW Secretary/Treasurer Drew Massey. It was not only insightful, but provided a very factual set of examples showing how broken our union structure is. If this doesn't show you that we are NOT a "bottom-up" organization...nothing will.

Carl
Carl, it is a very insightful piece from S/T Massey but as he states ALPA is still the best way to go. Do not omit that. What he is getting at is that there are issues within the current structure that need fixing.

IMO, the only way that we will get the contract we want is for line pilot to start holding their reps accountable and recall them if they are not voting a certain way on resolutions or elections etc.

Most pilots do not seem to want to engage and most pilot expect someone else to carry the water. Until the majority of us realize that the only way you fix a mess is to get involved and demand change, the only thing that will change is the name on the door plaque.

I am a fan of you guys in DTW. They generally are very frank and open in their communication.

I also think that Tom's piece is a good read too. If anyone wants to read their news letter in full, they will need to get it from a C20 pilot since the last newsletter that was uploaded to the C20 website is from Oct 1,2010, a year ago.

This update also paid a very nice tribute to Bryan. Very impressive gentlemen.
Old 10-02-2011 | 05:16 AM
  #77022  
acl65pilot's Avatar
Happy to be here
 
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 18,563
Likes: 0
From: A-320A
Default

Originally Posted by Nosmo King
Example du Jour

The previous two A330-200 CROTs were staffed without any solicitation sent out to the pilot group at large. The current MEC Chairman was a member of the final A330-200 CROT.

Did you know there is currently an A330-300 CROT? Do you know who is on that commitee so you can send your input? Did you see anything from DALPA asking if you were interested in serving or what the qualifications were?

Note: CROT is covered in the PWA and as such is administered by the MEC Chairman on the DALPA side.

I am aware, but that is because I read the DALPA site. I am of the opinion that all of this info needs to be pushed to each and every pilot with a e-mail address on a bi-monthly basis at a min. The reason of not wanting to overload pilots is garbage. If a pilot does not want to read it, they can hit delete. Most would be more interested if they had the data sent to them. A lot of pilots I talk to find the DALPA site, and ALPA site difficult to navigate and as a result do not feel like digging for information.

I would like to see a Committee Report pushed to everyone with an active e-mail address.
Old 10-02-2011 | 05:19 AM
  #77023  
Imapilot2's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 1,003
Likes: 0
From: Captain Jack
Default

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Well, that resolution doesn't say much of anything. The MEC agrees to discuss it? Really? The MEC resolution should have read: "The Delta MEC agrees that this resolution SHALL be the directive to the negotiating committee and SHALL constitute the minimum acceptable product of Section 1 to bring forth to the members for ratification."

But that's not what they said. Not even close. Like was said earlier, who was it on the MEC that voted NO to even discuss this at the MEC level? Whoever that was should be recalled immediately. Period.

Carl

I agree. I say we lynch 'em!!! I'll get the rope!
Old 10-02-2011 | 05:23 AM
  #77024  
acl65pilot's Avatar
Happy to be here
 
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 18,563
Likes: 0
From: A-320A
Default

Might want to take action on this one!!!!

Call to Action: No New Taxes on Our Negotiated Benefits
September 27, 2011 – The U.S. Congress must pass a deficit reduction bill by January 2012 or there will be mandatory reductions in spending across the board. Several proposals are under consideration, one of which would raise income taxes or reduce tax preferences that exist today on employer-sponsored health care and defined contribution 401(k) retirement plans. Tell your member of Congress and your U.S. senators that you do not want to pay tax on your employer-provided health benefits. The “Super Committee” must act by November 23, 2011, so take action now!
Old 10-02-2011 | 05:23 AM
  #77025  
acl65pilot's Avatar
Happy to be here
 
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 18,563
Likes: 0
From: A-320A
Default

Originally Posted by Imapilot2
I agree. I say we lynch 'em!!! I'll get the rope!

Does that mean that you are going to go to a LEC meeting and hold your reps accountable, and if necessary recall them?
Old 10-02-2011 | 05:54 AM
  #77026  
Flamer's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 1,044
Likes: 3
From: Lowest Pay I Could Find
Default

Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Does that mean that you are going to go to a LEC meeting and hold your reps accountable, and if necessary recall them?
That should not be necessary with the technology available. I shouldn't have to commute to a meeting on a day off to get a fellow delta pilot to make good decisions.
Old 10-02-2011 | 05:55 AM
  #77027  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 2,919
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by forgot to bid
Newk said he doesn't have time for this crap. He's got a plane to go fly...

GIFSoup

Douglas pilots know how to fight... bar...
Yeah, they spend most of their time fighting the airplane.
Old 10-02-2011 | 06:31 AM
  #77028  
acl65pilot's Avatar
Happy to be here
 
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 18,563
Likes: 0
From: A-320A
Default

Originally Posted by Flamer
That should not be necessary with the technology available. I shouldn't have to commute to a meeting on a day off to get a fellow delta pilot to make good decisions.

The Senate has to be present to vote on a bill or or Impeachment as well. If a motion to recall is passed, it goes to LEC vote and you can do that from your house.

I do get what you are saying, but everyone wants to do everything from the comfort of their couch, and until a few technologies become cheaper, I just do not see that being doable for a LEC meeting. Esp if they cut their budgets.

You also can use a proxy if you cannot attend. I like transparency, and want to find every way possible to get everyone to participate. I do know that the ATL reps looked at a way to do "Go to Meetings" a few years ago, but from what I gather, the end user issues, and lack of delay function on the feed where the issues. We need to be able to have a mute or delete function along with a delay to protect our pilots.

What I find ironic is that we can fill the GA convention center for the JPWA or C2K but cannot get 30 guys to attend a LEC meeting. DTW is a commuter base and they have a ton of pilot show up. I want a meeting at the airport and have been pushing for that for years.
Old 10-02-2011 | 06:43 AM
  #77029  
Eric Stratton's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 2,002
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Carl, it is a very insightful piece from S/T Massey but as he states ALPA is still the best way to go. Do not omit that. What he is getting at is that there are issues within the current structure that need fixing.

IMO, the only way that we will get the contract we want is for line pilot to start holding their reps accountable and recall them if they are not voting a certain way on resolutions or elections etc.

Most pilots do not seem to want to engage and most pilot expect someone else to carry the water. Until the majority of us realize that the only way you fix a mess is to get involved and demand change, the only thing that will change is the name on the door plaque.

I am a fan of you guys in DTW. They generally are very frank and open in their communication.

I also think that Tom's piece is a good read too. If anyone wants to read their news letter in full, they will need to get it from a C20 pilot since the last newsletter that was uploaded to the C20 website is from Oct 1,2010, a year ago.

This update also paid a very nice tribute to Bryan. Very impressive gentlemen.
Isn't this what your DPA is trying to do?
Old 10-02-2011 | 06:56 AM
  #77030  
acl65pilot's Avatar
Happy to be here
 
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 18,563
Likes: 0
From: A-320A
Default

Originally Posted by Eric Stratton
Isn't this what your DPA is trying to do?
DPA will change the name on the door plaque and that was the point. If you want to fix the profession, it is wise to fix what we have. New is not always better.
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
On Autopilot
Regional
22617
11-05-2021 07:03 AM
AeroCrewSolut
Delta
153
08-14-2018 12:18 PM
Bill Lumberg
Major
71
06-13-2012 08:36 AM
Quagmire
Major
253
04-16-2011 06:19 AM
JiffyLube
Major
12
03-07-2008 04:27 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



Your Privacy Choices