Where is it???

The AE, where is it? What is the word on the street???

I agree. This is one of the items I like about the Delta vs NWA system.

Did you notice how it jarred the right flap section? They kind of move anyway, but generally not that much. I saw a Luftansa A-340 hit so hard that it actually bounced back up about 50 feet. I thought they were going off the runway, but they managed to regain control. Looks like this 747 pilot realized his late flare and tried to fix it, but too late. I'm sure glad I've never done anything like that; not even twice! :eek: Ok, Ok, my third landing in the 88 was so hard that I think it may have changed the orbit of the earth. :o

P.S. LOT landing: Some of the later articles are now contradicting the initial ones. Now they are saying the crew realized they were going to land gear up after reaching Warsaw and making several attempts to extend the gear. Although it's still a mystery as to why the Alt Gear Ext system failed, this account would make much more sense.

DPA members as of today:

3856

and rising.:D

The ALPA apologists and shills can't move along Jack. This type of stuff is all they have left. They cannot raise ALPA's game so that we actually WANT them as our union, they can only denigrate anyone who wants to leave.

I'm tickled at the irony shown by this latest nonsense. For years, the ALPA apologists have shown utter contempt for anything whatsoever coming from USAPA. Now they list USAPA mailings as their SOURCES to prove their points. Hilarious! They use these USAPA mailings even though they're filled with statements like: "seems as though" and "looks like".

Truth is that Lee and Marty Seham are really tough guys. Really tough. They get results. They've successfully decertified ALPA, thus they will be hated by ALPA forever. Their latest success on behalf of the NBA referee's union is just another example. If any of these billing claims against Seham were actually true, don't you think they would have been disbarred by now? Or at least be on the losing end of a billing lawsuit?

Instead our usual ALPA apologists TOTALLY IGNORE the fact that our ALPA lawyers were fined and SANCTIONED by the judge in the TWA case for lying in court about an opposing counsel. But be sure you don't talk about that. Instead, just talk about alleged billing problems with the DPA law firm chosen to decertify ALPA.

Carl

Not at all. IF they are indeed working for half price, it's because going up against the embarrassingly bad lawyers of ALPA is just too easy. ;)

Carl

That's fine. Call Tim and let him know your feelings on the subject. He is VERY good about returning calls. But understand, I've come to the conclusion that Seham is EXACTLY what we need to decertify ALPA and help us professionally negotiate contracts. I do NOT want him to go....yesterday. I want him to stay, and I've let the DPA leaders know.

Couldn't agree more.

I thought you just said we need to hear the pros and cons and come to an informed decision? Now you say you "don't like Seham"? Was your "informed decision" based on the ALPA reps and MEC bureaucrats that post here?

Wait a minute...didn't you say at the top of this post that you're a DPA supporter? You need to get your story straight dude.

Couldn't disagree more. The DPA is our only hope for the MEC to not roll over for management during this Section 6. Without the DPA gun to their heads, we have no chance.

Carl

Yet, you do hurl insults with the best of them. It really does take away from your argument. Consider me a fence sitter. I have issues with ALPA, but you aren't really selling me on DPA either. You come across as a mad kid intent on degrading everyone around him. It clouds your message. I would assume that all DPA supporters are like this, but I've had a few conversations with FlyingViking in the lounge and I know that's not true.

See, this is what I'm getting at. Is it really wise to pee on your support, ala DALPA? I am more DPA than ALPA, thanks to conversations with others, but seriously, you are doing more to turn me off of DPA. I have to ask myself, Are all DPA supporters as angry and condescending as you? Do we have to toe the Spackler line, or can we be dissenting supporters? Will we be tolerated if we disagree with you, or will we be harangued as "closet ALPAites?"

I haven't read ahead yet, so hoping this has been said.
Smear campaign by DALPA? What the hell is DPA doing???