Since our negotiations will start about 9 months prior to the amendable date, that leaves about a year of negotiations. That is much sooner than the NMB normally gets involved. The only reason it will be a year afterwards in our case (assuming we don't have an agreement) is that we've written that into our contract. Without that, the NMB would not get involved until somebody tries to declare an impasse...which is normally a number of years worth of negotiations.

Therefore, everything I've stated about this process regarding the NMB is entirely accurate. But feel free to continue making a fool of yourself.

Carl

Quote:
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

The NMB is not involved from the start, so you don't have to worry about losing them from the start. They're only involved at the end of the normal process when one or more parties seek the NMB.

Carl

Quote:
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

Regardless, the NMB is not involved in openers or negotiations until their latter stages.

Carl

So please enlighten this fool. So is your final answer in regards to the NMB:

A: "That is much sooner than the NMB normally gets involved."
B: "They're only involved at the end of the normal process when one or more parties seek the NMB."

C: "Regardless, the NMB is not involved in openers or negotiations until their latter stages."

Those would be three completely different statements/time lines. I don't waste my time teaching my dog calculus. I should do the same in having a logical discussion with Mr. Almighty Whale Captain.

12-21-2011 | 05:04 AM

#84012

Timbo

Runs with scissors

Joined: Dec 2009

Posts: 7,847

Likes: 0

From: Going to hell in a bucket, but enjoying the ride .

Quote:

Originally Posted by LandGreen2

on short call reserve: we do not have to exceed the max contractual duty day listed on rotation plus 2 hours right? thx

You mean, after you have been assigned a trip, right?

Or are you just talking about sitting at home, waiting for a trip? Short call is not considered "Duty", nor is it "Rest", so once you get a trip, no, you are not required to go past the max duty day listed on the rotation, plus 2.

BUT...you also have to be able to look at your release time of that rotation, look back 24 hours, and be able to find 8 hours of "Rest", of which your short call time is not considered as "Rest".

12-21-2011 | 05:07 AM

#84013

slowplay

Gets Weekends Off

Joined: Feb 2008

Posts: 2,539

Likes: 0

Quote:

Originally Posted by LandGreen2

on short call reserve: we do not have to exceed the max contractual duty day listed on rotation plus 2 hours right? thx

To get an accurate answer, why don't you call the ALPA office and speak with one of the scheduling experts. 800 USA ALPA is the number. You'll be able to assert your contractual rights with a lot more confidence using what they tell you rather than that from some anonymous webboard pseudonym here.

12-21-2011 | 05:12 AM

#84014

Timbo

Runs with scissors

Joined: Dec 2009

Posts: 7,847

Likes: 0

From: Going to hell in a bucket, but enjoying the ride .

Quote:

Originally Posted by slowplay

What he said, and you know there is another web board called the DALPA board, which has a scheduling section. So if you run into something before 9am, or after 5pm, or on a weekend or holdiay, you can get some info from the Scheduling committee there, usually. I also keep their home phone numbers and cell phone numbers on speed dial!

Last edited by Timbo; 12-21-2011 at 05:45 AM.

12-21-2011 | 05:27 AM

#84015

acl65pilot

Happy to be here

Joined: Jun 2006

Posts: 18,563

Likes: 0

From: A-320A

Quote:

Originally Posted by LandGreen2

on short call reserve: we do not have to exceed the max contractual duty day listed on rotation plus 2 hours right? thx

Well since slow told you to call ALPA I will not answer

j/k, call them anyway since you question is so vague.

I think I know what you are getting at, but spell it out for them.

The short answer is that domestically Whitlow applies but sitting at home does not apply to max sked duty day that is outlined in the PWA, say 13 hrs, plus two to 15.

Effectively on domestic SC you can be flown up to 15+30 from the start of your SC, plus 30 mins after block in to equal 16 hrs.