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Old 12-21-2011 | 06:48 AM
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Again, how do you figure this? And I fyp.

Simple, they keep un-argument flights on the back side of the clock and they can work under the current rules, we can't.
Old 12-21-2011 | 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Simple, they keep un-argument flights on the back side of the clock and they can work under the current rules, we can't.
meh I don't see this as that big a deal. I would think that ALPA would negotiate these rules (for FedEx at least).. if.. they are a good deal for us.. but I don't think this is at all a good deal.
Old 12-21-2011 | 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
meh I don't see this as that big a deal. I would think that ALPA would negotiate these rules (for FedEx at least).. if.. they are a good deal for us.. but I don't think this is at all a good deal.
You do not think that pilots will take more coin to work a few more hrs? Ha, we are our own worst enemies.
Old 12-21-2011 | 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
You do not think that pilots will take more coin to work a few more hrs? Ha, we are our own worst enemies.
I dont understand
Old 12-21-2011 | 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
You do not think that pilots will take more coin to work a few more hrs? Ha, we are our own worst enemies.
Maybe, maybe not. They may very well do that, but I really don't think pilot costs are gonna drastically change the landscape for pricing.
Old 12-21-2011 | 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Maybe, maybe not. They may very well do that, but I really don't think pilot costs are gonna drastically change the landscape for pricing.
I agree. So far the little bit I've been able to scan through looks quite a bit like our PWA flight/duty limits.

This WILL have an effect on the regionals. The table limiting duty day based on start time and # of legs will challenge their schedulers/planners a bit. I would routinely have 6 leg/~8 hour/15:30 duty days. Of course that's usually achievable by having a 3-ish hour sit somewhere in the day too. This will be a dramatic QOL improvement for regional pilots that don't have the contractual protections of our PWA.

I haven't seen anything in the new rules that will prevent Delta from giving us 3 hour sits though. Our duty days are already capped at or near the new limits, so they will still probably be able to have us do productivity sits. All the more reason we need to improve our duty rigs in the next contract.
Old 12-21-2011 | 07:36 AM
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You guys haven't been paying attention, these new rules are going to create as many new jobs at DAL as the LGA slot swap!

Bring on the next Call to Action!

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Old 12-21-2011 | 07:47 AM
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Ha! Very true Timbo....
Old 12-21-2011 | 08:10 AM
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I'm sure when age 70 passes, unions will be able to tout that as a job protection initiative and how it will create jobs in the looooong term
Old 12-21-2011 | 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by LeineLodge
I agree. So far the little bit I've been able to scan through looks quite a bit like our PWA flight/duty limits.

This WILL have an effect on the regionals. The table limiting duty day based on start time and # of legs will challenge their schedulers/planners a bit. I would routinely have 6 leg/~8 hour/15:30 duty days. Of course that's usually achievable by having a 3-ish hour sit somewhere in the day too. This will be a dramatic QOL improvement for regional pilots that don't have the contractual protections of our PWA.

I haven't seen anything in the new rules that will prevent Delta from giving us 3 hour sits though. Our duty days are already capped at or near the new limits, so they will still probably be able to have us do productivity sits. All the more reason we need to improve our duty rigs in the next contract.
This will dramatically increase the costs of regionals. Many of whom are already struggling with rising fuel costs. This could put the squeeze on them.
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