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No we don't, the alternative is to furlough those pilots. Is that what you really want? Be thankful that a foresighted individual realized the best method to prevent furloughs was via a layered approach. Layering in economic penalties to the company has served us very well since we got away from traditional no furlough clauses.

This is an excellent point. Between numerous LOAs the past couple of years that have improved our contract (albeit incrementally) to this example, I'm glad we have union and management teams that are at least stretching the tired old models of "here is the contract, nothing will ever change until the next TA is ratified" blah blah blah.

Strict no furlough clauses are absolutely worthless as we have seen before. But subtly layering economic penalties in the event of furloughs is a much more clever--and most importantly--effective approach.

Without those penalties, I'm certain we would have announced "seasonal" furloughs along with every network cutback the past couple of years.

johnso29

01-04-2012 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by iaflyer (Post 1111441)

I don't know which airport you're talking about, but at BOG it was just one leg needed. Things can change, but when I went on the 757 to Bogota, the Captain and I had never been. The AQFO showed us the ropes on the way down from JFK, then deadheaded deviated and DHed back to ATL. The second time it was just the Captain who hadn't been, so the AQFO sat up front on the way down and DHed back with us the next day.

I can't see why the AQFO would let you go home with pay when he can be the one getting the good deal.

My personal experience had been that the AQFO has let me go both times. Both were overnights, but the AQFO could have DH right back out. It was a great deal for me, as he turned my uncommutable 5 day in to a commutable 4 day where I got home 36 hours earlier. And I was still paid for my 5 day & got a PS seat home. :)

NwaBusDriver

01-04-2012 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1111590)

ACL,
I don't doubt ATL 777 might move out completely, but couldn't the size of ATL 777 and DTW 777 be flipped vs closing ATL 777?

I ask, because what else would do a route like ATL-NRT?

FWIW 777 routes (by my best count, I might be missing some):

ATL-DTW
ATL-LAX
ATL-DXB
ATL-JNB
ATL-NRT

DTW-ICN
DTW-PVG
DTW-PEK
DTW-HKG

NRT-HKG
NRT-SIN
NRT-TPE
NRT-ATL
NRT-MSP

MSP-NRT

LAX-SYD

ATL-NRT is going to 744

johnso29

01-04-2012 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by dragon (Post 1111597)

Think I saw that Jan would have the highest YOY schedule cut. Since we staff for the summer, it stands to reason that this month we will have the least amount of open time and the highest number of couch potatoes (RSV bubbas and bubbettes).

Bingo. If people would actually read the memos put out, they would have read from Crew Resources & Steve Dickson that Jan & Feb would have the highest YOY decrease in block hours & therefore it would very slow. The company is taking advantage of this to install lie flat seats, economy comfort seats, & train for summer flying. This last AE was a 365 day conversion window, but they plan on having all training done by May.

Oh, & did anyone else notice that Delta is forecasted to make a $1 billion profit for the year of 2011? Considering the massive tsunami in Japan which caused a horrific nuclear meltdown, the ridiculous snowmegeddon in ATL, the East Coast blizzard, the East Coast hurricane, & the global economy teetering everyday, that profit is amazing. And it's happening with fuel prices over $100 per barrel.

Nothing is certain in this industry. That's the only thing that is guaranteed. :)

Beagle_Lover

01-04-2012 06:09 AM

Profit does not prevent furloughs! How many quarters has UPS made a profit with guys on furlough? :eek:

johnso29

01-04-2012 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Beagle_Lover (Post 1111645)

Profit does not prevent furloughs! How many quarters has UPS made a profit with guys on furlough? :eek:

How many did they furlough? 300? I think that was more of a d bag management move, but your point is taken.

tsquare

01-04-2012 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1111412)

With a small edit, there is scant difference from my job after the next displacement from Atlanta. :)

riiiiiiiiiiiight :rolleyes:

tsquare

01-04-2012 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by iaflyer (Post 1111441)

Uh.. no.. BOG requires in and out at DAL anyway.

sailingfun

01-04-2012 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1111626)

A entry and exit are required for a SAQ. The Check Captain or AQFO have to fly both legs. It may be for Bogata that a entry only is allowed if the CA already holds a SAQ. Every other qual including Africa, South America and special airports requires the entry and exit. There is no reason for the check airman involved not to release the copilot. Its been my experience that they do that 100 percent of the time.

DAL 88 Driver

01-04-2012 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1111638)

Oh, & did anyone else notice that Delta is forecasted to make a $1 billion profit for the year of 2011? Considering the massive tsunami in Japan which caused a horrific nuclear meltdown, the ridiculous snowmegeddon in ATL, the East Coast blizzard, the East Coast hurricane, & the global economy teetering everyday, that profit is amazing. And it's happening with fuel prices over $100 per barrel.

Hey, that would be a good argument for restoring our pay! :D

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