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Old 01-21-2012 | 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Jesse
Maybe this has gotten some attention here, but after going back a few pages I didn't see it. I'm talking about the Touch & Go--Rumor control: What’s Up With This TWA Lawsuit I’ve Heard About?

So to sum up DALMEC's position about the TWA-ALPA lawsuit: The courts ruled against us but they were wrong and we were right. Nice defense....
Your summation is not what the T&G stated. What they said, was ALPA felt that the jury ruled against them due, in part, to erroneous instructions given to the jury by the judge. That's a far cry from saying, "the courts ruled against us."

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Old 01-21-2012 | 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
The aircraft fleet booklet show 618 total RJ's in the Delta system as of 1/1/12. That number is continuing to decline, as there is only 1 delivery scheduled for this year and CMR is forecast to shed at least 24 CRJ-100/200 by this fall. I believe there will be a lot more change in that segment of the industry. Pinnacle Corp and Republic are both having signficant financial problems, and Skywest, Inc isn't making any money.
Slow,

I know Delta's party line is "...we are retiring regional jets at a record pace...". But from 10/1/2010 to 10/1/2011 that "record pace" was a blistering 19 50-seat RJs.

It's my understanding that DAL has agreements with the various DCI carriers and that each has a certain number of aircraft under contract and those numbers decline over time.

If it's not too much trouble, could you (or anyone else who knows) please post how many DCI aircraft are under contract each year for say the next five years.

I'd also appreciate it if you would elaborate what your expectations of "change within that segment of the industry" are.
Old 01-21-2012 | 07:03 PM
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SLC departures-- even more fuel for the fire, sometimes there are THREE opinions on what to do.

Was flying the SID out of SLC couple weeks ago, 230 kts to some point, then 250kts at FL240 further on (I think, or close). Got "maintain 230 kts" on the PDC. So that should over-ride the SID, now I'm maintaining 230 kts forever until told otherwise...

Passing 11,000 or so, controller says , "Resume Normal Speed". So I punch 250k into the FMC. Capt says "What are you doing? He said resume normal speed."
I say, "Yep, and normal speed is 250 until the next restriction on the SID then I'm going to Econ climb."
"No..." (Captain reaching over and setting 300ish econ climb), "Normal speed is econ climb, there are no restrictions."
"Hmmm," say I, "That would be great-- but I've got some question in my mind on that... can you ask him if the 250kt restriction at 240 is also removed?"
"No, I can't, it's removed, that's how we do it here. Fly 300."

We then had some discussion on what "normal speed" meant, where I basically said that if there was ANY question in my mind, the correct answer was to ASK the controller for clarification, and how could ensuring no confusion ever be wrong? He was a bit miffed at me...

Good guy to fly with otherwise, but I've never had anyone ever argue about ensuring a clearance was understood correctly before.



“Resume Normal Speed”
Instructs the aircraft to comply with the speeds published on the SID.
“Delete Speed Restrictions”
Instructs the aircraft to disregard all previously issued speeds including speeds on upcoming portions of the RNAV SID.
Old 01-21-2012 | 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
....If so, I could foresee a DTW 73 base that for the first time doesn't take away from the other current 73 bases because that fleet is going to grow. I could see a draw down of 738 flying on routes where the 160 seat MD90 will do just fine and the 738 gets back to 738 type flying especially DTW.

To me, it seems like 73s are great for DTW and ATL. Airbi and 757s for the coasts and MD88s for short to mid range stuff out of all of the hubs and 90s for mid range stuff.

Sound about right? George? Gloopy? The rest of you smarty pants?
I think I'm the king of... "tower, um... did you clear us to land?" or "just verify..."
I think you will find the current A320 is more range limited westbound in winter than the current 73NG series...

There is a software upgrade that uses the spoilers for load alleviation coming that should partially help boost MTOW, the "sharklets" will help boost transcend range...

So with the current Delta jets, Networking's pure plan:

738 to the coasts
A320 in SLC and ATL
MD90 for the center
M88 for East of the Mississippi

Here's the rub:
Some markets require IFE and SatTV for competitive purposes, that means the 738 is the go-to jet for longer routes all across the country.

On 1-2 hr stage length flights any one of our jets will do...

The 739 will help draw down the remains of the 767 category flying and thin out the 7ER categories out West.

YMMV, before you know it they'll come up with a new prime directive (fly fast/slow up-gauge/down-gage etc.)
I've heard Networking has been reigned in after having pretty much carte-blache 3-4 years ago...

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Old 01-21-2012 | 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
What the H-E double hockey sticks! Why are we talking about flying on an aviation forum? Can't someone insult Tebow or Tennessee and get a real conversation going?
hey alfa, I know, its a bit disconcerting ;-)

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Old 01-21-2012 | 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquared030
Your summation is not what the T&G stated. What they said, was ALPA felt that the jury ruled against them due, in part, to erroneous instructions given to the jury by the judge. That's a far cry from saying, "the courts ruled against us."

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You're right, they won't come straight out and say it and acknowledge what took place was wrong, but instead will try to find fault with others involved. Meanwhile we're the ones whose dues will pay for their mistakes.
Old 01-21-2012 | 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
The aircraft fleet booklet show 618 total RJ's in the Delta system as of 1/1/12. That number is continuing to decline, as there is only 1 delivery scheduled for this year and CMR is forecast to shed at least 24 CRJ-100/200 by this fall. I believe there will be a lot more change in that segment of the industry. Pinnacle Corp and Republic are both having signficant financial problems, and Skywest, Inc isn't making any money. The following was in a Pinnacle 8-K last week and is from a letter to all employees:

What happens next is not yet clear. Our hope is that we can reach agreement with all of the necessary parties on the changes we need to implement our turnaround plan and ensure the company’s continued viability. It is also possible that we may ultimately conclude the best way for us to achieve our goal is to use the court-supervised Chapter 11 process which, as you know, many other airlines have used successfully in recent years. Going that route could enable the company to change or cancel key contracts, obtain financing and take other important actions to implement the turnaround plan, all while continuing normal business operations.
I didn't think Pinnacle could "force" us to pay them more just by declaring BK. If we hold the line with them as well as agressively enforce their performance end of the CPA/ASA the best they could hope for would maybe a temporary injunction delaying how soon we could dump them. But if they come to us for any relief whatsoever we should tell them to pound sand and use it as an opportunity to cull even more 50 seaters at the very least.

While I'm sure we want the full compliment of 255 large outsourced RJ's in our "armada" Pinnacle has zero leverage over us even with those airframes as there are tons of other carriers tripping all over themselves to instantly add whatever they can't do at the prices they low balled in their bid for the work in the first place. For any planes they have that we may be directly leasing or owning, those could be transfered almost instantly.

In either case it seems like a great opportunity to reduce 50 seaters and depending on the timing reducing 51-76 seaters that we allow to be outsourced.
Old 01-21-2012 | 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
To me, it seems like 73s are great for DTW and ATL. Airbi and 757s for the coasts and MD88s for short to mid range stuff out of all of the hubs and 90s for mid range stuff.

Sound about right? George? Gloopy? The rest of you smarty pants?


I think I'm the king of... "tower, um... did you clear us to land?" or "just verify..."
Windcheck says what?

Anyway that sounds like a pretty good fleet mission plan over all. Our baby busses are old and getting older fast. Some of the new 73's were ordered to replace them as well as some 75's. I suspect we will continue to see some overlap in missions that blur some of the size/capacity lines but in the macro I'll go with that.

It will be interesting watching the remainder of our fleet replacement orders play out. Most seem to be of the opinion that a split order is a slam dunk. While possible, especially if prices are right, I wouldn't discount a borderline radical shift towards Boeing for the rest of the baby busses and MD's going forward.

Whatever SWA flies is never, ever, going to have a massive fleet grounding AD so there is no exposure there, Boeing appears more willing to wheel and deal and we are committed to a large number of new 73's as our baby bus fleet ages rapidly and we need to at least start seriously thinking about an MD88 replacement.

The baby bus is an OK transcon airplane. Not the best, but it can hold its own. I think the 73-800 is slightly better and of course the −700 is like a baws at least in mission, marketing notwithstanding. Of course from the pax perspective, the baby bus is better although I haven't seen the "sky interior" or whatever its called, I'm sure the bus still beats it.

Then there's the issue of IFE. We like it in the 73s and 75s but aren't investing anything equipping the minibusses with it. That leads me to believe that unless we order more, the 320/19 is destined to morph into sort of an MD-88/90, 91, whatever it takes kind of role while the 73's do more of the longer stuff.

Of course one end of any coast to coast flight is the west coast and there is no money there and AS dominates and we can't do it ourselves or we trash the yields so we will just give it all to them but they feed our widebodies so its all good amirite?
Old 01-21-2012 | 10:04 PM
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Reminds me of the pilot write ups and mx response from some airline(some Australian Airline).

Pilot- Heard squeaky noise in by avionics
MX- Installed cat

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Old 01-21-2012 | 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by georgetg
I think you will find the current A320 is more range limited westbound in winter than the current 73NG series...

There is a software upgrade that uses the spoilers for load alleviation coming that should partially help boost MTOW, the "sharklets" will help boost transcend range.
Yeah whenever fuel's tight on a long flight I like to crack out some boards for the cruise portion to take the edge off.

Wait, what?

Is that like negative flaps on a Maul for cruise or something? I guess its better than "OK when I select some flaps you pull that breaker real quick, k?"

And are we definately investing on sharklets for the 320's? If so that would mean we might be thinking of keeping/refreshing that fleet and taking a harder look at the NEO's than I thought.
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