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tsquare 02-01-2012 07:06 PM


Originally Posted by Jesse (Post 1127546)
And that right there is what people don't like about unions, and what (justifiably) they point to when a company is having problems making a profit. "Well of course they're in the red; they're paying their pilots not to fly." The fact that one would point to it as a goal is IMHO somewhat depressing.

Fair enough. However, it shouldn't be our problem to man the airline by flying overtime etc etc. My category/seat has been undermanned for over a year. No reserve exccess. None. Since the company refuses to man the category properly, everybody suffers.. except the company. They can hit a reserve from another base and fly them up to cover a trip. Because of this retarded reserve system, regular line holders... ALL of them cannot drop a trip in base. Good for the company.. bad for us. If they insist on the coverage aspect in order to allow regular line holders the ability to massage their schedules.. then they need to man the category based on that. Simple. If I were king.. they would have until the beginning of summer schedule. (I have no idea what I would do about it.. but something needs to be done..)

Superpilot92 02-01-2012 07:24 PM


Originally Posted by cpberry1 (Post 1127471)
Disregard, it's been covered...

You know you can do that on the DAL system, right? Just checking, as I have had some success in CVG as a very junior guy in a small category and in ATL as an even more junior guy (relatively) in having my preferences honored. Granted, it's often a toss up between the rotten apple trip and the rotten banana trip but at least it's a choice, kind of...

yes i know but read below.


Originally Posted by RockyBoy (Post 1127539)
The CAL system allowed reserves to pickup trips in that window the day prior, but the nicer part of their system was that lineholders could take a trip from a reserve guy even after it was assigned. I can't remember all the specifics, but it was nice and I did all the time. If it was within 12 hours they would call the reserve guy and if he didn't want to do the trip, they pulled it from them and it was all yours. I think outside of 12 hours it was yours regardless of what the resreve guy wanted.

There are lots of ways we can continue to improve the reserve system here that will benefit lineholders as well. I'm actually very impressed with the improvements so far, although they may not be perfect. The bucket system, credit for SC, and the entire reserve availability list are great things to get outside of section 6. Can't wait for the ability to higher your RAW score. I also think we could still allow drops and swaps up to 12 hours prior to report if reserve coverage is good. That would be nice.

well put, better than i did i guess. Its easier for us that used that system to see the benefits. Not perfect but had a nicer interface to use imho.

Erdude32 02-02-2012 02:29 AM

Any rhyme or reason as to how they are assigning s/c under the new rules? Is it still a crap shoot w/an automatic s/c on the first day back???

NWA320pilot 02-02-2012 03:57 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1127409)
Do away with buckets.. period. Then you have totally restored seniority to reserve. Company's problem. Not ours to ensure manning is proper to cover the flying with pilots that operate in a seniority based system.

I know this isn't going to be popular with FTB (sorry) but I have to agree with T.

shiznit 02-02-2012 04:15 AM


Originally Posted by Superpilot92 (Post 1127609)
Its easier for us that used that system to see the benefits. Not perfect but had a nicer interface to use imho.

I did like the CAL interface, but DAL rules/setup honor seniority much better, often at my expense as a junior guy....

forgot to bid 02-02-2012 04:48 AM


Originally Posted by NWA320pilot (Post 1127696)
I know this isn't going to be popular with FTB (sorry) but I have to agree with T.

It's okay. :)

If I'm not pursasive the only person I have to blame is me.

I need to work on it... :D

http://consumerist.com/images/resour...arsalesman.jpg

Imapilot2 02-02-2012 05:22 AM


Originally Posted by whatsitdoinnow (Post 1127485)
Quote:
Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
Based on today's AA announcement, ANYONE who thinks any ALPA/APA Pilot can get a 45% pay increase is smoking some mighty strong weed!

I think we can.... It's easy just buy/merge with AMR and their BK pay rates will dissapear as they are brought up to our rate. Followed by more profitability and not just restoration + inflation but an ACTUAL RAISE


except for the fact that their 100 year old pay rates are still close to our new ones

just looking at a base aircraft we have many of, our MD88 CA tops out at 12 yr at 168, their MD80 captain at 12 is 161! Their contract is what....10 years old?

or do you mean rates that are lower in the future from BK?

Boomer 02-02-2012 06:12 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1127715)
It's okay. :)

If I'm not pursasive the only person I have to blame is me.

I need to work on it... :D

http://consumerist.com/images/resour...arsalesman.jpg

FTB, where is that? I need to replace my old clunker and those prices look like something I can work with. I don't want to shoot too high since I might not be upgrading before age 65...

DAL 88 Driver 02-02-2012 06:22 AM


Originally Posted by XtremeF150 (Post 1127531)
I dont think they will keep the 9's but that is my opinion. I will say I find it odd that they still have as many crews in MSP as they do and after March I can't find a single DC9 departure in the system. Even the March open times apprears to be all dh on front end and back end of rotations. Thats what they did in MEM to spool it down, so I think the writing is on the wall for the 9 even in MSP and DTW. Also there has been no talk of moving the sims and they are about to give up that building right?

Thats my take on it. Engage crystal ball at your own risk.

That's certainly possible. But on the other hand... IF they were going to keep the DC-9's around for just a little longer (say sometime into 2013), it would probably make sense to keep deadheading rather than move a base.

I don't use crystal balls. The darn things just don't work. :D

Wingnutdal 02-02-2012 06:25 AM


Originally Posted by Imapilot2 (Post 1127729)
except for the fact that their 100 year old pay rates are still close to our new ones

just looking at a base aircraft we have many of, our MD88 CA tops out at 12 yr at 168, their MD80 captain at 12 is 161! Their contract is what....10 years old?

or do you mean rates that are lower in the future from BK?

They are not operating on a bankruptcy contract. They have floundered for 6 years shooting for the moon and now they are gonna take the bath everyone else took. They could end up making $100 an hour and then our 88 rates are gonna look sweet compared to them.


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