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whatsitdoinnow 02-01-2012 04:29 PM

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whatsitdoinnow 02-01-2012 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
Based on today's AA announcement, ANYONE who thinks any ALPA/APA Pilot can get a 45% pay increase is smoking some mighty strong weed!

I think we can.... It's easy just buy/merge with AMR and their BK pay rates will dissapear as they are brought up to our rate. Followed by more profitability and not just restoration + inflation but an ACTUAL RAISE

flyguy1 02-01-2012 05:06 PM


Just finishing up a 5-day trip tonight... and the rumors are all over the place about Delta possibly keeping the DC-9's through the end of 2013 now. I know how rumors can get out of hand and I don't put much credence in them. But I'm curious if anyone here has heard this one and/or knows anything about it...

We heard these same rumors about a week ago. It is possible that they stay until Dec 2013, but I was told it is only one of many plans.

acl65pilot 02-01-2012 05:28 PM


Originally Posted by flyguy1 (Post 1127499)
We heard these same rumors about a week ago. It is possible that they stay until Dec 2013, but I was told it is only one of many plans.

From the rumors yes there are a few plans. We shall see

forgot to bid 02-01-2012 05:41 PM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1127409)
Do away with buckets.. period. Then you have totally restored seniority to reserve. Company's problem. Not ours to ensure manning is proper to cover the flying with pilots that operate in a seniority based system.

First check your PM, something there I can't post here. :D

Second, in my view seniority on reserve is the same as for a regular pilot. Your schedule requests are awarded in seniority order. Since that's the case, why provide reserve pilots something not provided to regular pilots?
In a seniority based reserve system the expressed goal is a month off of work for senior pilots (defined however wants to define that) unless snowmageddon or similiar IROPs event occurs or they want to work.

So for regular pilots SILs should be mandatory per the contract to a percentage determined by the company and the union. The SILs should pay ALV. Those pilots should have to bid though and they can keep trips they want and the rest are unstacked in seniority order - not inverse order.

Because senior reserve pilots should not be getting a benefit that pilots inevitably senior to them in the category are not getting, a month off with pay.
Third, to me the buckets should be category contingent based on a formula that prevents the pilot one number junior flying all month in ones place. RAW was a formula and rather predictable imo. I want to get away from arbitrary scheduling systems, it's what is ruining reserve as is. What they could've done is enacted LOA 29 as is but without the buckets and brought back the high yellow.

But none of this 15 point garbage but maybe something that was equal to the longest trip in category plus 1 SC and decreasing proportionally down the reserve list. Such that if you are pilot 1 of 100, you get the max high yellow. Pilot 50 of 100 gets half a high yellow if they request it. Pilot 100 out of 100 gets a high yellow of 0. Now let RAW spread the unrequested flying evenly. Such that your RAW and work counts for something.

If you have 8 days on a row under this system and FTDT you could do 2 back-to-back 4 days. 10 days, 2 back-to-back 5 days. WB? 2 back-to-back 6 days.

XtremeF150 02-01-2012 05:44 PM

I dont think they will keep the 9's but that is my opinion. I will say I find it odd that they still have as many crews in MSP as they do and after March I can't find a single DC9 departure in the system. Even the March open times apprears to be all dh on front end and back end of rotations. Thats what they did in MEM to spool it down, so I think the writing is on the wall for the 9 even in MSP and DTW. Also there has been no talk of moving the sims and they are about to give up that building right?

Thats my take on it. Engage crystal ball at your own risk.

RockyBoy 02-01-2012 05:52 PM

The CAL system allowed reserves to pickup trips in that window the day prior, but the nicer part of their system was that lineholders could take a trip from a reserve guy even after it was assigned. I can't remember all the specifics, but it was nice and I did all the time. If it was within 12 hours they would call the reserve guy and if he didn't want to do the trip, they pulled it from them and it was all yours. I think outside of 12 hours it was yours regardless of what the resreve guy wanted.

There are lots of ways we can continue to improve the reserve system here that will benefit lineholders as well. I'm actually very impressed with the improvements so far, although they may not be perfect. The bucket system, credit for SC, and the entire reserve availability list are great things to get outside of section 6. Can't wait for the ability to higher your RAW score. I also think we could still allow drops and swaps up to 12 hours prior to report if reserve coverage is good. That would be nice.

Jesse 02-01-2012 05:58 PM


Originally Posted by Jesse (Post 1127432)
A bit of an oxymoron: cover flying...with (senior) pilots that don't fly. :D


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1127441)
And your problem would be....?

And that right there is what people don't like about unions, and what (justifiably) they point to when a company is having problems making a profit. "Well of course they're in the red; they're paying their pilots not to fly." The fact that one would point to it as a goal is IMHO somewhat depressing.

Bill Lumberg 02-01-2012 06:18 PM


Originally Posted by XtremeF150 (Post 1127531)
I dont think they will keep the 9's but that is my opinion. I will say I find it odd that they still have as many crews in MSP as they do and after March I can't find a single DC9 departure in the system. Even the March open times apprears to be all dh on front end and back end of rotations. Thats what they did in MEM to spool it down, so I think the writing is on the wall for the 9 even in MSP and DTW. Also there has been no talk of moving the sims and they are about to give up that building right?

Thats my take on it. Engage crystal ball at your own risk.

I heard MSP DC9 will be gone, and DTW may stay. Delta will also be getting 20 MD90s this year, and 9 next year. I wonder where some of them may go?

iceman49 02-01-2012 06:37 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1127524)
First check your PM, something there I can't post here. :D

Second, in my view seniority on reserve is the same as for a regular pilot. Your schedule requests are awarded in seniority order. Since that's the case, why provide reserve pilots something not provided to regular pilots?
In a seniority based reserve system the expressed goal is a month off of work for senior pilots (defined however wants to define that) unless snowmageddon or similiar IROPs event occurs or they want to work.

So for regular pilots SILs should be mandatory per the contract to a percentage determined by the company and the union. The SILs should pay ALV. Those pilots should have to bid though and they can keep trips they want and the rest are unstacked in seniority order - not inverse order.

Because senior reserve pilots should not be getting a benefit that pilots inevitably senior to them in the category are not getting, a month off with pay.
Third, to me the buckets should be category contingent based on a formula that prevents the pilot one number junior flying all month in ones place. RAW was a formula and rather predictable imo. I want to get away from arbitrary scheduling systems, it's what is ruining reserve as is. What they could've done is enacted LOA 29 as is but without the buckets and brought back the high yellow.

But none of this 15 point garbage but maybe something that was equal to the longest trip in category plus 1 SC and decreasing proportionally down the reserve list. Such that if you are pilot 1 of 100, you get the max high yellow. Pilot 50 of 100 gets half a high yellow if they request it. Pilot 100 out of 100 gets a high yellow of 0. Now let RAW spread the unrequested flying evenly. Such that your RAW and work counts for something.

If you have 8 days on a row under this system and FTDT you could do 2 back-to-back 4 days. 10 days, 2 back-to-back 5 days. WB? 2 back-to-back 6 days.

How does the RLL factor into the seniority thing?


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