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tsquare 02-02-2012 08:16 AM


Originally Posted by TOGA LK (Post 1127772)
The difference being they never settled nor caved in on scope. The BK is not a result of their failure to negotiate, that's ALPA rhetoric.


I have never heard anybody from ALPA say that the BK is a result of their failure to negotiate. Never. What they have said.. repeatedly.. is that their failure to negotiate has resulted in stagnant wages and work rules.. or more to the point.. no progress. Subtle difference I guess.. :rolleyes: but it seems lost on you.

Jesse 02-02-2012 08:23 AM


Originally Posted by TheTriColor (Post 1127818)
Am I missing something with the new system? I see on the reserve availability list that some people have already completed a short call, but I don't really see "credit" for it. I mean, in theory, if they have done a short call and are junior to me, shouldn't the "credit" for their short call knock them below me in line to get called for a trip? (Raise their 'raw' score) If they have done 2 SC's and I have done 1 shouldn't I be next in line to get assigned a trip because they have more SC's than me...thus a higher raw???

Now i'm confused even more:o

My understanding is that a SC only adds 5 pts to your RAW score, it doesn't affect whether a junior or senior pilot will be assigned a trip other than it may be enough to push a pilot into the next higher bucket.

As for SCs themselves, as of right now I think we're still under the previous system which means scheduling will lean towards distributing them evenly among the reserves, but it really comes down to who's available. That changes in May with the new SC rules. Others can step in here for those details.

Boomer 02-02-2012 08:27 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1127833)
Don't worry.. SWAPA will be lobbying for age 70 before too long.

If they wait until I'm 64 then I'll have 5 good income years out of my 35-year airline career.

If they do it before then? Totally Hosed.

TheTriColor 02-02-2012 08:27 AM


Originally Posted by Jesse (Post 1127839)
My understanding is that a SC only adds 5 pts to your RAW score, it doesn't affect whether a junior or senior pilot will be assigned a trip other than it may be enough to push a pilot into the next higher bucket.

As for SCs themselves, as of right now I think we're still under the previous system which means scheduling will lean towards distributing them evenly among the reserves, but it really comes down to who's available. That changes in May with the new SC rules. Others can step in here for those details.


Thanks for the info!

Ralphie 02-02-2012 08:55 AM


Originally Posted by Jesse (Post 1127839)
My understanding is that a SC only adds 5 pts to your RAW score, it doesn't affect whether a junior or senior pilot will be assigned a trip other than it may be enough to push a pilot into the next higher bucket.

As for SCs themselves, as of right now I think we're still under the previous system which means scheduling will lean towards distributing them evenly among the reserves, but it really comes down to who's available. That changes in May with the new SC rules. Others can step in here for those details.

???
Didn't catch the memo on this one, care to expand?

hockeypilot44 02-02-2012 09:17 AM


Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 1127842)
If they wait until I'm 64 then I'll have 5 good income years out of my 35-year airline career.

If they do it before then? Totally Hosed.

Lol. That's funny.

iaflyer 02-02-2012 09:18 AM


Originally Posted by Ralphie (Post 1127868)
???
Didn't catch the memo on this one, care to expand?

I think LOA #29 was put in your mailbox - it was in mine. Anyway - starting in May we can "bid" for short calls. For example, a more senior pilot on reserve can bid to avoid short call while the more junior pilot gets the short call, whether they want it or not.

Here's what DALPA said:

Assignment to Short Call Reserve – May 2012 bid period or earlier
The current reserve short call assignment process will be modified to allow a pilot to use a YS (in seniority order) for conversion to short call on a specific date(s) and/or at a specific start time(s). Short calls will be awarded in seniority order within days of availability groupings, based on the number of short calls served (0-2, 3-5, or 6), to pilots who have submitted a YS for such short call. Remaining short calls will be assigned in inverse seniority order, again within days of availability groupings, based on the number of short calls served.


The Company will continue to publish a targeted list of short call assignments and targeted short call start times for each category. Each short call assignment for which a pilot is credited will now be part of his RAW value calculation and add five points to his RAW value. More information will be published in a Scheduling Alert prior to implementation.

The Cavalier 02-02-2012 09:18 AM


Originally Posted by Ralphie (Post 1127868)
???
Didn't catch the memo on this one, care to expand?

There will be SC buckets and assignments will be based on seniority within a bucket. The buckets are: 0-2, 3-5, 6 or more.

Assignments within that bucket will be made in seniority order for those REQUESTING SC. Following those pilots, SC's will be made using INVERSE seniority order with each bucket.

The wild card is the statement that scheduling will assign SC from all available days remaining buckets "when feasible." I'm guessing that this gives scheduling the flexibility to not assign people SC on their last day of availability for obvious reasons. If I find myself sitting a bunch of SC's until 2200 on day 5 of 5 of availability I'm not going to be happy especially if I just finished a 4 day the evening prior. I like that scheduling only assigns SC to pilots with 1 day of availability rarely when they have no other options. Give me all the SC's you want on day 1 of 5 but leave me alone on my last day.

Brocc15 02-02-2012 09:44 AM


Originally Posted by iaflyer (Post 1127886)
I think LOA #29 was put in your mailbox - it was in mine. Anyway - starting in May we can "bid" for short calls. For example, a more senior pilot on reserve can bid to avoid short call while the more junior pilot gets the short call, whether they want it or not.

Here's what DALPA said:

Assignment to Short Call Reserve – May 2012 bid period or earlier
The current reserve short call assignment process will be modified to allow a pilot to use a YS (in seniority order) for conversion to short call on a specific date(s) and/or at a specific start time(s). Short calls will be awarded in seniority order within days of availability groupings, based on the number of short calls served (0-2, 3-5, or 6), to pilots who have submitted a YS for such short call. Remaining short calls will be assigned in inverse seniority order, again within days of availability groupings, based on the number of short calls served.


The Company will continue to publish a targeted list of short call assignments and targeted short call start times for each category. Each short call assignment for which a pilot is credited will now be part of his RAW value calculation and add five points to his RAW value. More information will be published in a Scheduling Alert prior to implementation.

Oh I didn't see this yet! I like it! Definitely an improvement. I am junior, so probably won't help me much at first, but I will appreciate it later! I hate getting short call on my first day since I am a commuter, so I will probably YS for SC on days 2,3,4 etc to get in the next bucket so that I am not forced to do short call on my first day back on my next group of reserve days. I like this new rule a lot!

Columbia 02-02-2012 09:48 AM


Originally Posted by The Cavalier (Post 1127887)
There will be SC buckets and assignments will be based on seniority within a bucket. The buckets are: 0-2, 3-5, 6 or more.

Assignments within that bucket will be made in seniority order for those REQUESTING SC. Following those pilots, SC's will be made using INVERSE seniority order with each bucket.

The wild card is the statement that scheduling will assign SC from all available days remaining buckets "when feasible." I'm guessing that this gives scheduling the flexibility to not assign people SC on their last day of availability for obvious reasons. If I find myself sitting a bunch of SC's until 2200 on day 5 of 5 of availability I'm not going to be happy especially if I just finished a 4 day the evening prior. I like that scheduling only assigns SC to pilots with 1 day of availability rarely when they have no other options. Give me all the SC's you want on day 1 of 5 but leave me alone on my last day.

And trips aren't necessarily assigned based on SC/LC. You may actually fly less while sitting short call because scheduling will want to use them more for last minute pop-ups, i.e. they're more valuable to scheduling. I could be wrong, though.


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