I generally agree with the concept of providing a feedback loop for our negotiators, and would be fine with some give-and-take to help them identify "what we think we want" and "what we really want."

However, that would have been something to lead-turn a year ago, not a few weeks prior to exchanging openers.

My perception is that our Section 6 preparation, at least from a communications standpoint, has been abysmal.

Well, 4% of 12,000 pilots is 480...I'm part of that. My understanding, however, is that a furlough of less than 2 years is not cost effective. On December 21, 2013, the new rest rules are in effect, and likewise significant retirements begin. If I were a strategic planner, furloughs would not make sense given those circumstances, but it does help dampen contract expectations.

I don't know how selling your vacation started, but DALPA sure as heck doesn't allow it nor will they entertain it. Seemed to me, and correct me if I'm wrong, that DALPA is against it and what they're doing about it might be an LOA or C2012 thing. I don't know. I hope.

Now, to restate this for Dr. Buzz and my G's in LAX:

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/cu...ar15362_30.gif
With so much drama in the L-A-X
It's kinda hard bein B-U-double-Z
But I somehow, some way
Keep coming up with funky *** ***** about Dems like every single day
May I, kick a little something for the G's (yeah)
And, make a few ends as I breeze through,
It's two in the mornin in the A-T-L but out here my party's still jumpin
Cause my momma ain't home
I got my b****** being displaced from planes wit livin rooms
And they ain't leavin because they got sometin better in da mornin
We got a pocket full of shizzles parkin us all away
They got them some fix to getin them paid
Now this types of **** happens every other day
When you got trip parkin hoes that say fool I gotta get mine
So lets turn off the lights and close the swap board
But (but what) we don't love them trip parkin hoes,
So we gonna smoke a ounce to this
We need to get the D-A to the L-P-A mackin this **** down
G's up, trip parkin hoes down, while you ************* bounce to this...

Makes sense to me.

If we went back to the bow wave, wouldn't we be understaffed?

If so, we'd all gain seniority, right? What's not to love.

I would love to have the bow wave put back. I'd much rather be making the same money flying less in a senior category then flying more in a junior category.

If you want to see something that will reduce reserve required numbers, go take a look at the last 4 days of trip coverage for ATL7ERB. Averaging about 80% white slips.

I think in bases where da staffin been homeboys that ain't commutin
then the white slippin shizzle comes grabin
all tha two and one day trippin

my mind is fizzled right now. may i never go down this road again. thanks b-u-double-z, you fizzled me like an A-A- would a T-W-A.

Truth about white slipping is white slipping begots white slipping. You can't greenslip if everyone is white slipping and if you need cash now, and you're not on a buss of vikings singing a song about getting your cash now, then you really have no choice but to pull your GS and WS. What an ugly cycle that I watch from afar waiting patiently for the one trip nobody wants, the double deadhead to a short overnight.

Lots of WS in NYC too. If a Europe trip pops up, it almost always goes to a REG. Some are even WSing the uncommutable Transcons. :eek:

Gloopy, I found the psyops handbook for smacking down Delta pilots leading into C2012.

http://www.fas.org/irp/doddir/army/fm3-05-301.pdf

No idea what that's doing on the internet but:

PSYOP are planned operations that convey selected information and indicators to target audiences (TAs) to influence their emotions, motives, objective reasoning, and ultimately, the behavior of the group and individuals. The purpose of all PSYOP is to create in neutral, friendly, or hostile groups the emotions, attitudes, or desired behavior that support the achievement of competitive and board of directors objectives and missions. In doing so, PSYOP influence not only policy and decisions, but also the ability to govern, the will to fight, the will to obey, and the will to support. The combination of PSYOP products and actions create in the selected TAs a behavior that supports company policy objectives and the directors intentions at the strategic, operational, and tactical levels.

The nature of PSYOP is varied and ever changing. PSYOP personnel must support a broad range of missions and force structures in environments ranging from austere to highly sophisticated and those who use anonymous web boards. PSYOP are planned, coordinated, and executed before, during, and after conflicts, and must be integrated at all echelons to achieve its full force-multiplier potential.

Proven in contract and peacetime, PSYOP are one of the oldest weapons in the arsenal of airlines, as well as an important force protector, combat
multiplier, and nonlethal weapons system. Effective use and employment of PSYOP forces provides many capabilities that facilitate successful mission
accomplishment. The following are examples:

• Project a favorable image of the company and allied forces.
• Amplify the effects of a show-of-force.
• Give target audience alternative courses of action (COAs).
• Improve censorship, illiteracy, or interrupted communications.
• Exploit cultural, political, religious, seniority, retirement or economic differences.

Speaking of Identifying folks based on their posts... for some reason on my last trip, I got interested in this. Carl posted something narrowing his status down, and I found myself, for no apparent reason, looking at the seniority list and category lists looking where the intersection was for "possible Carls". Unfortunately I found like 25 folks that could be him-OMG is that DTW 744 category tight on hiring and retirement dates! Like everyone flying it is from a 1 year window of life!

Anyways, it was actually an enjoyable hour of looking at seniority and hiring/retirement dates for a category I'll never see. There's something about the stalker biz that everyone digs heh... you know it's true.

It just occurred to me that I might have met Ferd the morning of the 7th going to work, before boarding. PM me if that was you, always need to figure out the local guys!

Hmm, one more point. Last 3 Capts I flew with were happy with 20% and "scope just isn't that critical to my stage in life". Getting a bit bummed that scope may be a complete FO cause...