Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
02-13-2012 | 01:16 PM
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Another fool and his money Easily parted....
UPDATE: PEOPLExpress, the iconic predecessor of low-fare air travel, will be reborn in Newport News.
The new airline will bring 1,000 jobs over three years, U.S. Sen. Mark Warner announced Monday.
During an official presentation company officials said PEOPLExpress will travel to Pittsburgh, Providence, R.I., Orlando and West Palm Beach, Fla.
There will be no charge for bags and passenger seats will be assigned, officials said.
UPDATE: PEOPLExpress, the iconic predecessor of low-fare air travel, will be reborn in Newport News.
The new airline will bring 1,000 jobs over three years, U.S. Sen. Mark Warner announced Monday.
During an official presentation company officials said PEOPLExpress will travel to Pittsburgh, Providence, R.I., Orlando and West Palm Beach, Fla.
There will be no charge for bags and passenger seats will be assigned, officials said.
02-13-2012 | 01:21 PM
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Seventeen years later I'm an A-320 Captain and my hourly rate is $175.00 an hour. Because I'm a dead zoner I contribute 25% to my retirement (including the over 50 catch-up contribution). That makes my effective rate $131.25. (And I'm not getting into the degradation of our medical plan ...)
14% of your $175.00 goes into your DC/401K so doesn't that make your "new" rate $199.50 & your "effective rate" $149.63?
Just sayin' .....
02-13-2012 | 01:23 PM
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Since you are subtracting money that you are being paid and putting into savings, then in fairness, shouldn't you also add the money that is given directly to you in savings?
14% of your $175.00 goes into your DC/401K so doesn't that make your "new" rate $199.50 & your "effective rate" $149.63?
Just sayin' .....
14% of your $175.00 goes into your DC/401K so doesn't that make your "new" rate $199.50 & your "effective rate" $149.63?
Just sayin' .....
02-13-2012 | 01:23 PM
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I'm fine with a pay banding system...always have been. But you're failing to recognize why we're down-gauging. We're down-gauging because we're shrinking. We're shrinking because we have what is arguably the worst Scope in the entire industry. And you're the one who just stated that we need to think really hard about wanting to recapture scope because then we "would shrink like you cannot believe" (your words).
We will NEVER grow again unless we recapture scope. Your concept of us shrinking less by continuing to allow all this outsourcing is pure fantasy.
Carl
We will NEVER grow again unless we recapture scope. Your concept of us shrinking less by continuing to allow all this outsourcing is pure fantasy.
Carl
02-13-2012 | 01:27 PM
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Are we allowed to book PS Front End deviations? Is this covered in LOA 29? Thanks.
02-13-2012 | 01:28 PM
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Quite a contrast to the last 5 years at Delta, 'eh? The rumor among the FO's is a return to the direct entry Captain position. They are getting a lot of metal this year and talking about deferring deliveries as a result of crew shortages.
There are some other gigs out there that look appealing, perhaps better than EK.
Delta says they are over staffed by 4 or 5%. ALPA's Expert says he does not know when things will turn around. Seems like a win for Delta and Delta's pilots to offer very long term leave. Those who want to could get out of the way and reduce Delta's costs until (when / if) Delta has a need for pilots.
There are some other gigs out there that look appealing, perhaps better than EK.
Delta says they are over staffed by 4 or 5%. ALPA's Expert says he does not know when things will turn around. Seems like a win for Delta and Delta's pilots to offer very long term leave. Those who want to could get out of the way and reduce Delta's costs until (when / if) Delta has a need for pilots.
Carl
02-13-2012 | 01:31 PM
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Wonder if management is gaming the production balance in the AF/KLM JV and planning on renegotiating it rather than ever being in compliance?
Sailing never answered the question, "Do you consider outsourcing an abrogation of seniority?" Like to know his opinion.
02-13-2012 | 01:38 PM
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02-13-2012 | 01:39 PM
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Timbo.
Your post made me do some research that's pretty darn depressing.
In February 1995 I was a four year 727 First Officer. My hourly rate was $98.48. I contributed 6% to the Family Care Savings Plan, so my effective rate was $92.57.
Seventeen years later I'm an A-320 Captain and my hourly rate is $175.00 an hour. Because I'm a dead zoner I contribute 25% to my retirement (including the over 50 catch-up contribution). That makes my effective rate $131.25. (And I'm not getting into the degradation of our medical plan ...)
So using an inflation calculator, $92.57 in 1995 dollars equates to $136.63 in 2011 dollars. I'm essentially making five bucks an hour less as a 22 year A-320 Captain than I was making as a 4 year 727 First Officer, barely off B-scale!
I guess this would be the point that Slow, Sailing, Alfa, or PG will chime in and tell me how great I'm doing....
It sure doesn't feel it from where I'm sitting.
Your post made me do some research that's pretty darn depressing.
In February 1995 I was a four year 727 First Officer. My hourly rate was $98.48. I contributed 6% to the Family Care Savings Plan, so my effective rate was $92.57.
Seventeen years later I'm an A-320 Captain and my hourly rate is $175.00 an hour. Because I'm a dead zoner I contribute 25% to my retirement (including the over 50 catch-up contribution). That makes my effective rate $131.25. (And I'm not getting into the degradation of our medical plan ...)
So using an inflation calculator, $92.57 in 1995 dollars equates to $136.63 in 2011 dollars. I'm essentially making five bucks an hour less as a 22 year A-320 Captain than I was making as a 4 year 727 First Officer, barely off B-scale!
I guess this would be the point that Slow, Sailing, Alfa, or PG will chime in and tell me how great I'm doing....
It sure doesn't feel it from where I'm sitting.
Man-up and quit whining!
Massive pay sacrifices have been made.
What's a little harder to see is that seniority sacrifices have been made as well.
Prior to 2000 Delta was an airline growing organically.
1980-1990 the fleet nearly doubled in size
1990-2000 the fleet grew in execs of 50%
During those years the vast majority of aircraft had a 3-man crew
Now with exception of the long-haul fleet, we are down to 2-man crews and the fleet is shrinking.As a result the opportunities for seniority advancement have reduced drastically.
There are Delta pilots hired just a few years after you that can't hold captain, relegated to FO pay, so they are making 40% less than you.
Capacity constraint works for the company. If the fleet size will stay flat or further reduce in the upcoming years. If we replace 75 and 76 with 737 aircraft even with all upcoming retirement we will all see seniority inflation.
I'm not advocating forcing the company to hire more pilots just for the heck of it, but this is an issue that is brewing and will need to be addressed.
Seniority determines pay and just a captain upgrade will be an instant 40% raise for some of our pilot population that has been in limbo for the past 15 years.
You are lucky to hold captain. Good timing placed you on the list that lets you be 320A, but Luck shouldn't have anything to do with seniority progression...
Cheers
George
02-13-2012 | 01:47 PM
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Deviations from Scheduled Deadhead
Deviations from Scheduled Deadhead
A pilot who utilizes an off-rotation deadhead to travel from a domestic airport or an airport in the Hawaiian Islands (other than his base) in the vicinity of his permanent residence at the beginning of a rotation will be provided positive space on-line transportation if: • Company Business travel can be booked in TravelNet without overbooking • the routing does not pass through the pilot's base • the routing does not exceed the number of deadhead segments originally scheduled • the routing is scheduled to arrive at a reasonable time before his required report • the routing provides for a subsequent flight that is scheduled to arrive at a reasonable time before his required report • A reserve pilot must receive permission from Crew Scheduling to deviate at the beginning of a rotation.
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