Originally Posted by Jesse

There's a big difference between 100% and that mysterious number that's unknown but rumored to be low.

Speaking of, since DALPA loves printing out "Rumor Control" papers for my v-file that tell me ALPA's losing a class action law suit wasn't really a loss in the real sense, and by the way ALPA would never do anything other than put every pilot's interest first and foremost even if it means less power for ALPA, then why not one for something about the survey? Rumor Control: DALPA will not reveal the survey results, but through leaks we believe we can get you to accept they're what we hint they're close to, which if you're a reasonable individual you'll accept that a pilot is happy working for what he makes now plus a cola increase.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

Another great example of a BLATANT LIE from a member of our MEC bureaucracy. The NMB has absolutely NO ROLE whatsoever prior to them being inserted in the process via the Railway Labor Act. When the NMB briefed the company and DALPA in January, they laid out the process and STATED they have no role until called for by the RLA. Yet slowplay feels the need to lie about it and state that "the NMB are already heavily involved in our contract."

Carl

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

An airline with management interested in managing an airline would retaliate for our partner's unfaithfulness.

More to the point, Hawaiian wants to be a growing, dynamic, airline. Best to partner with a growing, dynamic, airline. Who needs a slowly consolidating legacy carrier? Our partner's only interest in us is as an organ donor.

It would be an interesting curiosity, but for the fact this airline's capacity reductions will cost me at least $11,000 this year. Pulling together for Delta's success? Really Richard? Then why did you outsource my job?

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

Found a picture that describes the DPA's role in Contract 2012, while our MEC is trying to score a couple points:

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

You almost got it right Bar. All those people with the "miss it" signs are line pilots who see that the DALPA guy is about to shoot it in the other team's basket. Management's basket.

Carl

Originally Posted by shiznit

So again, how does anyone propose that an alternate bargaining agent would be able to put more money in my checking account without getting the NMB to agree that the Delta Pilots are "worth it"?

Originally Posted by shiznit

I'm all ears.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

Found a picture that describes the DPA's role in Contract 2012, while our MEC is trying to score a couple points:

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver

That argument pops up from time to time and I believe it is a red herring.

What if our reps and MEC bureaucrats believe this is the best they can do but at the same time recognize that it is unacceptable to the pilot group. What to do? Take a proposal to the negotiating table that you THINK won't be acceptable and that you THINK the big bad wolf (NMB) will blow your house down over? Or take a proposal to the negotiating table that is well below what is acceptable to your pilot group and then try to sell us on the idea that it was the best we could do and there is unacceptable risk in voting it down? Which sounds more like what we've experienced before?

This is just my opinion, but I think a lot of these guys (reps and bureaucrats) get so caught up in the minutia and in their own world of challenges that they lose sight of principle and the big picture. I don't think any (or at least most) of them want anything less than the most we can get. Sure it effects them! But I think many of them are so caught up in their world of proactive engagement that they don't want to do anything to possibly jeopardize that. It's not hard for management's professional negotiators to figure out who they're dealing with, what motivates them, and what scares them.

Getting a restorative contract and reeling in scope is NOT going to be easy. It will involve risk. None of us got to where we are by avoiding things that are difficult and by taking zero risk. Let's not get so caught up in the size of the challenge we face that we give up. Just my 2 cents...