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05-06-2012 | 06:24 PM
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We're talking about Section 23.S.2.a.1 --
A reserve pilot will not be assigned a rotation that will cause his credit to exceed the ALV.
If they change that to ALV + 15 then they can assign a reserve a 15 hour trip if he is one minute short of the ALV. That is a big change. It will reduce staffing significantly.
We're talking about Section 23.S.2.a.1 --
A reserve pilot will not be assigned a rotation that will cause his credit to exceed the ALV.
If they change that to ALV + 15 then they can assign a reserve a 15 hour trip if he is one minute short of the ALV. That is a big change. It will reduce staffing significantly.
I wasn't sure what it meant, thanks for clearing that up, and I agree, it WILL reduce staffing, as will increasing the ALV's by 5 hours for regular line holders.
OK, It's not in the Note Pad, but just for fun, let's say the company then offers an "Early Out" package for say, 500 pilots.
Well, just the 5 hour increase in ALV will more than cover that.
If 11,000 pilots each fly 5 more hours, that's an additional 55,000 hours being flown by the same 11,000 pilots. Divide that 55,000 additonal hours by today's ALV of 82, you've just lost 670 pilot jobs.
500 early outs, but 670 less pilots needed. A win for the Company, no doubt.
Split 50/50, it's 335 less in each seat. If the company did allow 500 early outs, and they if were all Capts., they only need to replace 165 of the 500 who left.
Hey, look on the bright side, they haven't offered the early out yet, and if they do, maybe they can make that 165 up with...
More RJ Capts!
05-06-2012 | 06:26 PM
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If you are not "full" until you hit the guarantee can they still give you a trip that takes you over the guarantee but less than ALV + 15? (max reserve)
That's the way it works now, correct?
Or can they never give you a trip that goes over guarantee? I guess we'll find out when we get some actual language.
05-06-2012 | 06:30 PM
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05-06-2012 | 06:31 PM
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Maybe the scope is that all 70 seats and above is coming in house and we need this productivity to stay competitive with the regional guys. Just wishful thinking.
05-06-2012 | 06:31 PM
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05-06-2012 | 06:32 PM
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Exactly.
05-06-2012 | 06:33 PM
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This thing is moving real fast so my ? is, who are we getting ready to buy?
05-06-2012 | 06:34 PM
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While I certainly agree that this reduces the staffing requirement, the current agreement has a TLV of 74-79 hours. If the TLV range is increased (per the NN) to 75-80 hours, this is only a 1 hour increase at the top of the range. I believe that would be a decrease of a little over 1%, not 6%, if they ran right at the top of the TLV range.
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While I certainly agree that this reduces the staffing requirement, the current agreement has a TLV of 74-79 hours. If the TLV range is increased (per the NN) to 75-80 hours, this is only a 1 hour increase at the top of the range. I believe that would be a decrease of a little over 1%, not 6%, if they ran right at the top of the TLV range.
dl
Oh...I missunderstood what I was reading, I thought they were raising the ALV by 5, not just 1. That's good, but still a manning loss, even if 'only' 1.267%, that's 151 pilots off a 12,000 pilot list...and there's that extra 15 in the reseve thing too.
05-06-2012 | 06:35 PM
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I guess it depends on how you read it.
If you are not "full" until you hit the guarantee can they still give you a trip that takes you over the guarantee but less than ALV + 15? (max reserve)
That's the way it works now, correct?
Or can they never give you a trip that goes over guarantee? I guess we'll find out when we get some actual language.
If you are not "full" until you hit the guarantee can they still give you a trip that takes you over the guarantee but less than ALV + 15? (max reserve)
That's the way it works now, correct?
Or can they never give you a trip that goes over guarantee? I guess we'll find out when we get some actual language.
05-06-2012 | 06:36 PM
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