Does anyone think so much detail was released in order to rally the troops, stir us up for more leverage in the scope/pay negotiations? Just trying to see the angle. Maybe they realize they are getting their a$$es handed to them and need the company to see a TA will get shot down unless the pot is severely sweetened.

OTOH, I find it hard to believe this is being negotiated in a vacuum, irrespective of scope/pay. These are large concessions, imo. Why would we give anything at this point unless we were close to an end game on the most expensive parts of the contract. I think they are close on scope/pay or at a minimum are within a range in those areas to already put down concessions in the negotiators notepad.

Lol. The ever optimist.

I don't. I think we are having our asses handed to us. I hope I am wrong.

I think DALPA made a mistake releasing the information. As you can see, you have guys ready to vote on something after 1 day of partial information. Then again, maybe it is your chance to provide feedback to your reps. I emailed mine on Saturday and they all responded within an hour.

Agreed. Depending on the second side of these changes, I see a way to pay us more without doming more work. Say a min day goes up by 15-25% and we get a Average Daily Credit. It will allow the same work but with more "time" thus allowing a slightly lower rate to pay is more.

It is also a way to make our productivity look very good in SLI negotiations. (Not saying we need it, just saying that there are many ways to look at this, and without the entire picture, drawing a final comprehensive conclusion is a disservice to you, your family, and your fellow pilots)

I talked to a Rep, and in the course of me mentioning the negativity on this board, he cautioned people to wait for the whole picture. Great advice.

Anyone wanna come down and help me lay 15 cu yds of Mulch? :eek:

fixed it for ya..

Great album. I now have it on the headset...

Clapton is God?? naaaaaahh Gilmour da man.

One more thing. The whole allowing reserves to fly to AL+15 does one thing many are missing; It allows the reserves available number to stay high, thus allowing line holders a better ability to swap.

meh. Read some of those posters' history, and you will find that they were gonna vote no anyway. DYODD, and we'll see how this all turns out.

You are gonna have to 'splain that one to me.. The issue that needs changing in THIS particular regard is the required/available section. The company has the advantage to use a reserve to cover from any base at no harm/no foul. That way they can overstaff someplase.. like ATL.. and understaff someplace else.. like NY. So NY lineholders cannot drop, but the company has the base covered with a 2 hour deadhead... IT's crap, and needs to be changed. If the system wide reserve availabiity is good for the company, it should be good enough for us.

Hockey, when I was hired, they were also negotiating a contract. When you got into the 727 and looked up, there was a slogan scratched into the dome light covers. It said, "More Money, More Time Off".

It took me a while to figure out what they were talking about, but you've broken the code. The "more time off" we get, the more pilots they need in each (higher paying) category, which leads to upgrades, which leads to the "More Money" part.

Some pilots think that flying more per month will bring them a fatter paycheck. But flying -more- per month will have the exact opposite effect. Delta will need LESS pilots, starting at the top, and displacing all the way down. We will then be getting "Less Money (being displaced) and Less Time Off (by having to fly more to make up for the pay cut)

Too bad we don't have dome lights to scratch the slogan into! I'd go back to a fixed 75 hour cap tomorrow, with bow wave and spill back, but I doubt the ALPA guys, who are getting what, 87 hours(?) per month now, would go for it.