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I'm with gloopy on the vacation pay. Every working professional I know in other industries with our level of skill/experience in their respective field has about 3 to 4 times more vacation and personal time available to use at their discretion.
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We already have a form of "vacatin sellback" right now, because after the bid run, the Vacation credit goes away, and you can then white slip more time, to 'sell' your vacation time back, by picking up those 21 hours.
Make Vacation and everything else we do worth 6 hours a day, with no pickup to replace the vacation time, after bid runs. |
Originally Posted by mtbguy
(Post 1184796)
I'm with gloopy on the vacation pay. Every working professional I know in other industries with our level of skill/experience in their respective field has about 3 to 4 times more vacation and personal time available to use at their discretion.
Only in this industry does a guy in his late 30s with a family only get to possibly select September or October for years on end. |
Originally Posted by mtbguy
(Post 1184796)
I'm with gloopy on the vacation pay. Every working professional I know in other industries with our level of skill/experience in their respective field has about 3 to 4 times more vacation and personal time available to use at their discretion.
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Originally Posted by gloopy
(Post 1184790)
This gets to the core of the issue. Our vacation sucks. Badly. 3 hours a day is INSANE. It needs to be at least 5 hours a day. That would at least give a 35 hour block of pay and credit on your line. 2 weeks would/should be 70 hours and done, at pilot's option of course unless someone wanted up to ALV credit by adding another trip if possible, which is only fair to allow.
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1184825)
I am with gloopy on this. 5 weeks of vacation would allow me to take 5 months off! I would love to work only 7 months a year. Gloopy for vacation chairman!
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Originally Posted by CAAC ATP
(Post 1184810)
I completely agree with personal days. Every one of my family members has fairly liberal use of personal days. I think they take a hit on sick pay or vacation when they use one, but the flexibility is a huge increase to QOL. When it comes to vacation, especially being junior, it seems like something that is forced down my throat. I could better use those days spaced out through the year.
It's probably too late to throw this into the negotiations now, but also, it would be nice if we automatically used our -unused- vacation time to extend our regular sick leave, if we are about to run out of sick leave and go on Long Term Disability, which is a 50% pay cut. As it is today, you have to call scheds. and request them to use your vacation time BEFORE you run out of sick leave. Nobody told me this when I was out for 9 months with an illness. I ran out of regular sick leave and was put on LTD, 50% pay cut, with 3 weeks of unused vacation time! When I called Scheds. and the CPO to ask for it, they both said, "You should have called us when you first got sick..." Um...when "I first got sick", I was in a COMA! Then I was in the ICU for a WEEK, and it was MONTHS before I could remember my wife's name! Oh...but I forgot I had unused vacation time... But here's the truely brilliant part. After I recovered and returned to work...broke, by being on 50% pay for 6 months, I still had those 3 unused weeks of vacation. There were 3 months remaining in the current vacation year, so they forced me to use them all, two weeks in one month, which put me on reserve, because PBS couldn't build me a line with two weeks of vacation, and then 1 week in the last month. So after not flying an airplane for 9 months, I came back for two trips...then WENT ON VACATION! It was un-fkng-believeable! Here I'd just been off for 9 months. I wanted to fly as much as possible just to get back in the saddle so to speak, to get re-aquainted with the job and get my skills back up to speed. But no, I had to GO ON VACATION! (with no money) I could have really used that unused 3 weeks in the form of money too and paid some unpaid bills. So I called the CPO and ALPA, and asked if I could just flush it and keep flying. They both said, "Sorry, you should have used that vacation up when you first got sick." I don't know about you, but when lying I'm in the ICU, the last thing I'm thinking about is my...Unused Vacation Time. |
Just talked to a buddy at Pinnacle, the company is asking the pilots to fly 86 seat jets for CRJ 900 rates. Hope this isn't why the company wanted to start early on the new contract.
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Originally Posted by Timbo
(Post 1184834)
It's probably too late to throw this into the negotiations now, but also, it would be nice if we automatically used our -unused- vacation time to extend our regular sick leave, if we are about to run out of sick leave and go on Long Term Disability, which is a 50% pay cut.
As it is today, you have to call scheds. and request them to use your vacation time BEFORE you run out of sick leave. Nobody told me this when I was out for 9 months with an illness. I ran out of regular sick leave and was put on LTD, 50% pay cut, with 3 weeks of unused vacation time! When I called Scheds. and the CPO to ask for it, they both said, "You should have called us when you first got sick..." Um...when "I first got sick", I was in a COMA! Then I was in the ICU for a WEEK, and it was MONTHS before I could remember my wife's name! Oh...but I forgot I had unused vacation time... But here's the truely brilliant part. After I recovered and returned to work...broke, by being on 50% pay for 6 months, I still had those 3 unused weeks of vacation. There were 3 months remaining in the current vacation year, so they forced me to use them all, two weeks in one month, which put me on reserve, because PBS couldn't build me a line with two weeks of vacation, and then 1 week in the last month. So after not flying an airplane for 9 months, I came back for two trips...then WENT ON VACATION! It was un-fkng-believeable! Here I'd just been off for 9 months. I wanted to fly as much as possible just to get back in the saddle so to speak, to get re-aquainted with the job and get my skills back up to speed. But no, I had to GO ON VACATION! (with no money) I could have really used that unused 3 weeks in the form of money too and paid some unpaid bills. So I called the CPO and ALPA, and asked if I could just flush it and keep flying. They both said, "Sorry, you should have used that vacation up when you first got sick." I don't know about you, but when lying I'm in the ICU, the last thing I'm thinking about is my...Unused Vacation Time. Absolutely. Couldn't agree more. This and all of disability and sick leave needs to be seriously addressed, including the 240 vs 300 and 20 yr add on. A simple medical issue to most (i.e. broken bone, etc.) of course grounds pilots where as anyone in the GO can continue to work everyday. |
Originally Posted by Too Tall
(Post 1184849)
Just talked to a buddy at Pinnacle, the company is asking the pilots to fly 86 seat jets for CRJ 900 rates. Hope this isn't why the company wanted to start early on the new contract.
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