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DeadHead 05-09-2012 08:51 AM

Cat wranglers are in full force today.

Mesabah 05-09-2012 08:59 AM


Originally Posted by Delta1067 (Post 1184874)
It wont mean anything to us at Delta as we are not going to ratify a TA with a section 1 that would allow such aircraft at DCI :cool:

One thing to look at though, is Delta directly and indirectly employs a lot of people. It's probably at least somewhere between 250-500K, maybe more. In this economy Delta is "Too Big To Fail", they don't have to put a lot of money on the table to get the NMB to side with them. I think if Delta puts up a lot of cash for scope relief, strictly from a business decision standpoint, DALPA would be inclined to take the deal.

In other words, you may not have the opportunity to vote for a contract that doesn't have scope relief. Which, faced with perpetual negotiations vs significant pay increases for a lot of pilots nearing the end of their career, makes a recipe for disaster. Also Delta has 400+ management pilots, these people have a lot of influence, even if you think they don't.

Timbo 05-09-2012 09:03 AM


Originally Posted by orvil (Post 1184873)
They can't use their hands to text, they are too busy with the underboob handshake signal.


Thanks Orvil, You are killing me!

I am picturing that and laughing my butt off!:D:D:D

TeddyKGB 05-09-2012 09:18 AM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1184912)
One thing to look at though, is Delta directly and indirectly employs a lot of people. It's probably at least somewhere between 250-500K, maybe more. In this economy Delta is "Too Big To Fail", they don't have to put a lot of money on the table to get the NMB to side with them. I think if Delta puts up a lot of cash for scope relief, strictly from a business decision standpoint, DALPA would be inclined to take the deal.

In other words, you may not have the opportunity to vote for a contract that doesn't have scope relief. Which, faced with perpetual negotiations vs significant pay increases for a lot of pilots nearing the end of their career, makes a recipe for disaster. Also Delta has 400+ management pilots, these people have a lot of influence, even if you think they don't.

LOL Thanks for the good laugh. Especially coming from the guy who blamed Delta for the 9E bankruptcy, not a failed merger of 3 airlines and pi$$ poor mgmt. Clearly someone who just doesn't get it and never will.

Justdoinmyjob 05-09-2012 09:19 AM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1184912)
One thing to look at though, is Delta directly and indirectly employs a lot of people. It's probably at least somewhere between 250-500K, maybe more. In this economy Delta is "Too Big To Fail", they don't have to put a lot of money on the table to get the NMB to side with them. I think if Delta puts up a lot of cash for scope relief, strictly from a business decision standpoint, DALPA would be inclined to take the deal.

In other words, you may not have the opportunity to vote for a contract that doesn't have scope relief. Which, faced with perpetual negotiations vs significant pay increases for a lot of pilots nearing the end of their career, makes a recipe for disaster. Also Delta has 400+ management pilots, these people have a lot of influence, even if you think they don't.


So what you're saying is that Delta will just throw obscene cash at the pilots, DALPA will roll over, and the NMB will impose it's will? Hmm, sounds to me like wishful thinking on your part.

Mesabah 05-09-2012 09:39 AM


Originally Posted by Delta1067 (Post 1184926)
LOL Thanks for the good laugh. Especially coming from the guy who blamed Delta for the 9E bankruptcy, not a failed merger of 3 airlines and pi$$ poor mgmt. Clearly someone who just doesn't get it and never will.

Delta is our number one customer, and must be catered to at all costs to keep our company afloat. When Delta told Pinnacle to take Mesaba, they had too, the customer is always right.

80ktsClamp 05-09-2012 09:40 AM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1184936)
Delta is our number one customer, and must be catered to at all costs to keep our company afloat. When Delta told Pinnacle to take Mesaba, they had too, the customer is always right.

Your logic runs astray in thinking that larger gauge RJs are coming your way.

TeddyKGB 05-09-2012 09:43 AM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1184936)
Delta is our number one customer, and must be catered to at all costs to keep our company afloat. When Delta told Pinnacle to take Mesaba, they had too, the customer is always right.



Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.

Mesabah 05-09-2012 09:46 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1184939)
Your logic runs astray in thinking that larger gauge RJs are coming your way.

Who's the bigger fool if Delta is investing a hundred million plus in Pinnacle, a failing company.....

Bill Lumberg 05-09-2012 09:49 AM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1184942)
Who's the bigger fool if Delta is investing a hundred million plus in Pinnacle, a failing company.....

They had to, PNCL would have liquidated because of lack of assets and zero other DIP financing opportunities. And, Delta couldn't get another operator to feed mainline quickly enough. So, you get to be saved, and shrunk probably. I will vote NO for any increase in your 76 seat fleet, and especially NO for any increase in size of your planes. Sorry.


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