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Originally Posted by Free Bird
(Post 1154876)
I'd really like to know what was going through the DALPA negotiators heads when that was included into the contract? We seemingly had leverage with LOA 19 and the Joint Contract, why our negotiators didn't politely tell Delta "NO" when it came to the 3-1 I'll never understand.
Free Bird, The whole 3-1 ratio baffles me also. I guess I could maybe see 3 RJs for every 747 or 777, but really, 3 RJs for a DC-9 or 717?? :confused: Scoop |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 1154864)
Its a rumor, and I would say, wait until the actual TA in which you would vote on.
: They don't need relief for the 153 76 seaters...they can fly a million 76 seaters. Or 88 seaters. Or "hundred seaters" or whatever they want. We just have to be the ones that fly it. There is nothing they can offer us to lure us into putting one more seat of scope relief into a TA and in fact, the first TA needs to contain significant scope recapture at all levels or NO DEAL. Sure we vote down a TA if it comes to that, but we need to apply so much pressure before it even gets to that point that its never in a TA in the first place. |
Originally Posted by Free Bird
(Post 1154872)
If the MEC puts forth a TA with more scope concessions I think it's safe to say that ALPA will change significantly in the next year.
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Originally Posted by Columbia
(Post 1154890)
Thoughts of their very own oil painting. :D
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Originally Posted by gloopy
(Post 1155000)
I would say if we wait to see a TA with more scope mistakes, we've already, best case, lost the opening battle. IMHO we need to light up the phone lines of our LEC's and P2P's and let them know in no uncertain terms that there will not be one more large RJ flying for Delta in any capacity unless its flown by Delta pilots.
They don't need relief for the 153 76 seaters...they can fly a million 76 seaters. Or 88 seaters. Or "hundred seaters" or whatever they want. We just have to be the ones that fly it. There is nothing they can offer us to lure us into putting one more seat of scope relief into a TA and in fact, the first TA needs to contain significant scope recapture at all levels or NO DEAL. Sure we vote down a TA if it comes to that, but we need to apply so much pressure before it even gets to that point that its never in a TA in the first place. I agree with your premise that we need to prevent any scope mistakes from getting into the TA... I don't want to be (too) pessimistic but there are a bunch of sheeple who are Delta pilots. If DALPA comes up with a lame TA and the usual spin of "...it's the best we could do..." I have zero confidence it would be rejected. |
Originally Posted by Scoop
(Post 1154998)
Free Bird,
The whole 3-1 ratio baffles me also. I guess I could maybe see 3 RJs for every 747 or 777, but really, 3 RJs for a DC-9 or 717?? :confused: Scoop Watchu talkin bout Scoop? I wouldn't give them 3 more RJ's for every one of these: http://images.wikia.com/starwarstech...telligence.jpg If they need more large RJ's, they can have more RJ's. As many as they want, for whatever routes they want. We just have to be the ones flying them. Now I'm a reasonable guy. Maybe I will agree to allow them to keep one existing outsourced large RJ for every two that are parked in addition to every new 777 or 747 (pax or freighter) that is added to the fleet. And yes, I do believe that is an oil painting. And since the page is already stretched now, someone might as well post a jumbo pic of the Fly Delta Jets sign with a conga line of RJ's, some underboob or cats. |
Thanks for all the replies, Wingnutdal, Sierra Whiskey & DeltaA320. Not really concerned about the drive, just that it is under two hours. Rather just find a nice area, as I will be bidding reserve on a overstaffed international category.
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So here is my DTW recon list so far:
1 Ann Arbor 2 Grosse Pointe 3 Novi 4 Royal Oaks 5 Saline 6 Chelsea 7 Canton 8 Plymonth 9 Keego Harbor 10 West Bloomfield and stay as far away from the Hardcore Pawn on 8 mile.....:eek: |
SCOPE = NO// close discussion
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