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Old 08-18-2013 | 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by WARich
Man, you guys make it sound like we can't walk and chew gum at the same time........ Try being in a stack with half a dozen different assets in the middle of Afghanistan during a TIC with multiple dudes screaming into different radios......just saying...... Though, so true, the military does love to pack a 2 month program into 6 months.....lol

I think it's safe to say, that no matter what your background once you get to the big guys most have the experience (whatever that may be), to adapt.
Put a regional pilot in that kind of task saturated environment and they will be behind as well. Both have their unique coordination challenges. The CRM/TEM issues that arise in airline cockpit may be a new concept to some military pilots. But I believe most will find concepts fascinating to learn. The threats involved are less in your face screaming and more of a silent Development. I would definitely recommend new hire military guys delve into the safety culture of their new airline. The AQP training often directly correlates to the FOQA and ASAP issues. The human factors aspect of the cockpit can be analyzed and improved on till the end of time.

It's exciting times coming up. I'm looking forward it.
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Old 08-18-2013 | 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by xjcrew1
I would definitely recommend new hire military guys delve into the safety culture of their new airline.
Good point. There's still a lot of wisdom in this old Delta logo from the 1930's. Updated for today's vernacular it might read:


Safety
Comfort
Efficiency

Decision making, in the interview, in training and on line, works best when taken in the priority of Safety, customer Comfort and Service, then Efficiency (completing the mission, being on schedule, cost savings).
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Old 08-18-2013 | 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Good point. There's still a lot of wisdom in this old Delta logo from the 1930's. Updated for today's vernacular it might read:


Safety
Comfort
Efficiency

Decision making, in the interview, in training and on line, works best when taken in the priority of Safety, customer Comfort and Service, then Efficiency (completing the mission, being on schedule, cost savings).
Great advice.... I've heard it several times.
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Old 08-18-2013 | 11:03 AM
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All this civilian/military stuff is peeing into the wind in regard to DL hiring. DL wants a good mix of both. As you'll hear in newhire class, they want the military guys for the inherent discipline they bring. They want the civilian guys for the customer service and experience in an airline environment.

DL will do what they have to do to get a good mix of both, as that is what creates the culture that they want.
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Old 08-18-2013 | 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Good point. There's still a lot of wisdom in this old Delta logo from the 1930's. Updated for today's vernacular it might read:


Safety
Comfort
Efficiency

Decision making, in the interview, in training and on line, works best when taken in the priority of Safety, customer Comfort and Service, then Efficiency (completing the mission, being on schedule, cost savings).
Yep... when you interview, they want you to be thinking with those principles as guidance.
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Old 08-18-2013 | 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
All this civilian/military stuff is peeing into the wind in regard to DL hiring. DL wants a good mix of both. As you'll hear in newhire class, they want the military guys for the inherent discipline they bring. They want the civilian guys for the customer service and experience in an airline environment.

DL will do what they have to do to get a good mix of both, as that is what creates the culture that they want.
I'd throw Corp guys in there as well. It's amazing the kind of customer support you have to give. Catering, scheduling, planning, making sure they have their ride there when you land, scheduling a conference room at minutes notice, passengers interaction preflight/inflight/postflight/at home/hotel. We are always available during the flight. Needless to say successful businessmen riding on corporate jets are spoiled and needy! But they have earned that right imo.

I'm sure when in a new hire class all that diverse background, when put on the same path to what the airline expects and demands, makes each individual airline come together as a very structured and safe airline. I am sure everyone brings something a little bit different. I'm glad, because if we all had the same background it would most like be boring. A mix of backgrounds is good

I just hope some of us lowly corporate guys get the nod for an interview!
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Old 08-18-2013 | 11:35 AM
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Civ/Mil, doesn't matter, both have to learn from the right seat. The only position the military guys wouldn't be qualified for is if Delta was hiring street captains.
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Old 08-18-2013 | 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by fisherpilot
I'd throw Corp guys in there as well. It's amazing the kind of customer support you have to give. Catering, scheduling, planning, making sure they have their ride there when you land, scheduling a conference room at minutes notice, passengers interaction preflight/inflight/postflight/at home/hotel. We are always available during the flight. Needless to say successful businessmen riding on corporate jets are spoiled and needy! But they have earned that right imo.

I'm sure when in a new hire class all that diverse background, when put on the same path to what the airline expects and demands, makes each individual airline come together as a very structured and safe airline. I am sure everyone brings something a little bit different. I'm glad, because if we all had the same background it would most like be boring. A mix of backgrounds is good

I just hope some of us lowly corporate guys get the nod for an interview!
Yep. I know JetBlue has a target mix of 1/3 military/airline/corporate. They liked the corporate guys because they always do whatever it takes to get the job done. You don't see many in class at Delta, but I think it would be good to get some of you guys who went corporate instead of regional for obvious reasons.
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Old 08-18-2013 | 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
Civ/Mil, doesn't matter, both have to learn from the right seat. The only position the military guys wouldn't be qualified for is if Delta was hiring street captains.
I'm not sure I'd go that far. There's a lot of mil guys with several thousand hours of heavy jet international time. In command.
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Old 08-18-2013 | 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
I'm not sure I'd go that far. There's a lot of mil guys with several thousand hours of heavy jet international time. In command.
I'll chime in here, I had a new hire as my sim partner when I upgraded to 7ER A back in 2008. USAF fighter guy. In the sim he made the following radio call "Delta 757 gear down full stop". I had to chuckle as I said " all our landings are full stops". As a former fighter guy I have to admit I benefited greatly from riding side saddle my first year, the regional guys have the airline flow down when they come here.
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