From my experience, LGA controllers, especially ground, just want you to shut the F up and wait until you're called......

 

While you slowly sink into the pavement ....

 

Yes, because if it's a criticism of the left from the NYT, it's definitely true.

 

True, just like ORD, just like JFk.........

But listening to a pilot at the gate involved in conversation over what the "duty runway" is because ATIS is saying departures are using 13 but a USair MetroJet 737-200 is taxing to another runway (I'm guessing for performance reasons, don't care) and causing the pilot confusion was pretty funny. Especially when the pilot KEPT asking why MetroJet is taxiing to another runway despite the "duty runway" being 13. Till the controller just said "the ATIS says the active is 13, unless you tell me different, you're going to 13 also, don't argue"

Controller probably further confused him by calling it the "active runway".

 

In 16 years of military service, I've never heard of the "duty runway"...... at least in the Air Force......maybe I've missed something.......normally we just call it the active runway....or runway in use......though, I don't discount the possibility that "duty runway" exists.....perhaps in one of the other services...you know those Navy guys always come up with their own words for the "boat".....

 

Time for this again:

 

Awesome!!.......lol......

 

That guy is just creating his own mess.

I really enjoy the increased professionalism of the controllers at EWR. (in my opinion)

 

Flying into Valpraiso, FL (Eglin AFB) the (military) controller said "check wheels down, cleared to land." I replied "XXXXX XX cleared to land, gear down, full stop." Tounge and cheek of course and chuckles all around. You don't have to check your sense of humor at the door when you start flying 121 do you?

 

EWR held us high for helicopter traffic below. As a result we're cleared to land but pressing hard to meet the constraints for a technically stable approach on 22L. Tower clears a business jet to land 11. After a moment of blissful patting ourselves on the back for nailing the criteria at 1,000 & 500 we're about 100 feet when Tower cancels our landing clearance... low energy flaps 40 go around ... OK, called tower, "XXX was cleared for the visual, where do you want us?" (visual pattern would conflict with other NYC traffic). The reply was "uhm..." and then Tower went off air. When they returned they said "fly the published missed." We reminded them of our clearance + conflicting traffic, which resulted in their again going non com. Since we were apparently on our own, we called with our intentions to just fly the EWR2, then towards SBJ, which was the only area clear of traffic. Eventually (and I mean several minutes later) we were given a clearance which matched what we had done.

FAA Program Manager on our Jumpseat giving the Boss a line check while this whole thing went down ... ugh ... Newark. He seemed happy enough with what we had done ... no debrief, no paperwork.

Still, it would be preferable if Newark didn't run business jets underneath you to crossing runways. In this day of having 250 wanna be documentarian photographers on board, you don't want to have a picture taken out the window be full of a business jet rolling out on the runway you just went missed from. Too interesting by far.