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Old 09-20-2019, 05:32 AM   #10631  
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Gotcha beat in years....BFD
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Like I said.....got my count down clock going......armchair quarterback (Mr Denny Crane) vs the Company.......either way, macht nichts to me, the GS hogs are ecstatic if mgt mucks it up and "the Denny Crane" can say "I told you so".....and if the company can actually manage the situation....you can walk away into oblivion ....."So Be It"...MPDGAF.....(most people don't give a eff)
All you come back with is white noise. How about answering my questions? Here, Iíll repeat them. (Sometimes people our age have trouble with their memory.). The company has had a year to make corrections to manning since last summer. Why didnít they do so? And When in the last 30+ years has the manning in each category been correct?

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Old 09-20-2019, 05:55 AM   #10632  
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One of the big issues with manning this year was the 737 MAX. A bit hard to anticipate both the event and duration.
It presented a opportunity for Delta. Should the union help or hinder when those types of opportunities come up?
There was no excuse to "running hot" to the extent we did to whatever degree can be attributed to the MAX. That issue a thing well in time for increased hiring but that didn't fit the narrative of the Optimizer crowd and their "suddenly found 800 pilot positions" of alleged credit fluff.

Hiring was significantly curtailed during a time it didn't have to be, just because some thought it could be when they knew it wasn't going to work and they just watched it happen.

The real opportunity was our pairings got trashed at the same time staffing went to redline both of which were completely self caused and 100% preventable.
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Old 09-20-2019, 06:36 AM   #10633  
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The pace this summer was ridiculous. I wonder how much that had to do with the tragedy in JFK. How much overtime was worked there? How many were they shorthanded? You can't ignore the culture and on-time mandate that adds pressure to the system. How many times has each one of us personally witnessed a request to release the brake?

But there's no problem... metrics are great. It's those lazy pilots "dwelling" all over the place.
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Old 09-20-2019, 06:49 AM   #10634  
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The pace this summer was ridiculous. I wonder how much that had to do with the tragedy in JFK. How much overtime was worked there? How many were they shorthanded? You can't ignore the culture and on-time mandate that adds pressure to the system. How many times has each one of us personally witnessed a request to release the brake?

But there's no problem... metrics are great. It's those lazy pilots "dwelling" all over the place.
Itís anecdotal but I asked maintenance guys when they would come on the plane this summer and all said they were working massive overtime. One in SLC said he hadnít had a day off in weeks. But it was all basically voluntary. Sound familiar?
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Old 09-20-2019, 07:08 AM   #10635  
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Itís anecdotal but I asked maintenance guys when they would come on the plane this summer and all said they were working massive overtime. One in SLC said he hadnít had a day off in weeks. But it was all basically voluntary. Sound familiar?
It is voluntary. Out of the 30,000 GS days, I was awarded 7 beach, 6 lake and 15 pool days.
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Old 09-20-2019, 07:27 AM   #10636  
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It is voluntary. Out of the 30,000 GS days, I was awarded 7 beach, 6 lake and 15 pool days.
I personally intend to fly as many GS next year as I did this year....did a one day in March or April. I enjoy my time off in the summer when the kids are home.
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Old 09-20-2019, 07:27 AM   #10637  
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All you come back with is white noise. How about answering my questions? Here, Iíll repeat them. (Sometimes people our age have trouble with their memory.). The company has had a year to make corrections to manning since last summer. Why didnít they do so? And When in the last 30+ years has the manning in each category been correct?

The truth can hurt.

Denny
HI, I haven't been here for 30yrs. My guess predicting the future is tough and they never get it right, but management feels the crazy big awards have an overall cost savings that makes them worthwhile. I suppose on some level they are also guessing who is gonna be their green slip beast, and if a whole category doesn't volunteer there's a bit of a problem.

I know on some level this all comes down to which team do you support. I haven't seen so many captains with the long stare into nothing saying things like "the summer is almost over, just gotta keep on going" before. It sure seems like this was remarkably different than last year.
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Old 09-20-2019, 10:50 AM   #10638  
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Yup this group will green slip just as much.
And if we donít? Status quo violation?
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Old 09-20-2019, 10:55 AM   #10639  
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And if we donít? Status quo violation?
If we are still on negotiations and it's a concerted effort with backing by the overly vocal SM warriors, yes.
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Old 09-20-2019, 12:35 PM   #10640  
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If we are still on negotiations and it's a concerted effort with backing by the overly vocal SM warriors, yes.
A reduction in GS flying is not in and of itself going to trigger a status quo violation. A judge will look at every aspect of the situation. Letís say for example pilot GS requests drop 95% almost overnight and there is a concerted effort via a website, email and web boards to encourage no GS flying. A injunction will be issued as History shows us.
If on the other hand there is simply a reduction in GS requests of say 20% and none of the above is happening I doubt the company will have any luck getting relief via the courts.
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