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Old 11-11-2013 | 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Tumbleweed
Hillbilly don't you get one "freebie?" I thought the first aircraft you get assigned has no seat lock. So if you get the 73N NYC in class and three months later an AE posts with M88 vacancies, you can bid it. One thing to consider is that changing categories during probation exposes you to another jeopardy event.
That was changed not too long ago. New hires now have a 1 year seat lock. In exchange, we got rid of the recovery obligations for OE.
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Old 11-11-2013 | 03:58 PM
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Jeopardy event??? Trebek is moonlighting at DAL?

Seriously though, what is that?
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Old 11-11-2013 | 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Hillbilly
If you are interested in ATL, the 717 or the MD88 will work out just fine even if you don't get ATL initially. Which is better would be a personal choice. I think the trips will be relatively comparable when it's all said and done. Even if you were based somewhere other than ATL on either aircraft, the one year category freeze for new-hires would not prevent you from bidding to the same seat in a different base since it would not require qualification training. (DTW 717 B to ATL 717 B for example)
Are you allowed to "lateral" into a base. I.e. get 717 DTW then Lateral to ALT when in the next AE?
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Old 11-11-2013 | 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin404
Are you allowed to "lateral" into a base. I.e. get 717 DTW then Lateral to ALT when in the next AE?
Yes. You're not frozen in base, only type for the first 12 months. That's why hillbilly suggests bidding a junior plane so you could get into ATL sooner.
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Old 11-11-2013 | 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by surfnski
Jeopardy event??? Trebek is moonlighting at DAL?

Seriously though, what is that?
"I'll take check rides for $500." By "jeopardy'" I meant an event such as the check ride where you are being evaluated and could fail. If you do struggle or even fail a check ride, there are more simulator sessions and training at your disposal. However, and no different than most other airlines, there have been new hires who have washed out in training and had to leave. I am by no means trying to scare anyone but if you're comfortable with the "glass magic" you might think twice about bidding the M88 while you're on probation.
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Old 11-11-2013 | 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by DLpilot
That was changed not too long ago. New hires now have a 1 year seat lock. In exchange, we got rid of the recovery obligations for OE.
I wasn't aware of this, thanks. I doubt many people took advantage of it. I knew guys who switched planes three times their first year but those were displacements.
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Old 11-11-2013 | 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin404
Are you allowed to "lateral" into a base. I.e. get 717 DTW then Lateral to ALT when in the next AE?
If your seniority can hold it--and there are surpluses in your desired base or you are displaced from your current base--you can bid into the same equipment at a different base.


Look at the seat lock like a training contract (with certain exceptions). You can move to any base with that aircraft if you are seat locked without adding anything to the seat lock.
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Old 11-11-2013 | 08:08 PM
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How does bidding work as a new-hire? In class do they list positions available and you bid based upon seniority? Or do you submit a standing bid from day 1? Or do they just assign the class whatever they need that month?
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Old 11-11-2013 | 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Tumbleweed
Hillbilly don't you get one "freebie?" I thought the first aircraft you get assigned has no seat lock. So if you get the 73N NYC in class and three months later an AE posts with M88 vacancies, you can bid it. One thing to consider is that changing categories during probation exposes you to another jeopardy event.
Originally Posted by DLpilot
That was changed not too long ago. New hires now have a 1 year seat lock. In exchange, we got rid of the recovery obligations for OE.
DLpilot is correct. All entry level pilots incur a 12 month category freeze in accordance with Section 22 G.1. The "freebie", as you refer to it, no longer exists.
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Old 11-11-2013 | 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
If your seniority can hold it--and there are surpluses in your desired base or you are displaced from your current base--you can bid into the same equipment at a different base.


Look at the seat lock like a training contract (with certain exceptions). You can move to any base with that aircraft if you are seat locked without adding anything to the seat lock.
To be clear, if you are displaced, you can go to any category your seniority can hold and you would not be subject to a category freeze.
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