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Old 07-15-2013 | 09:46 AM
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Honestly depressed.. Glad there is going to be hiring but even being a mil guy I'm thinking it will be next to impossible getting a call with all the flow/ agreement cluster going on.
Wait and see what happens.
There are some pretty big loopholes in those flow agreements.

What is the definition of "hired"?

We might see "conditional offers of employment". Does that count as a "hire"?

What if they hire 200 guys in one month with class dates spread into the future?
What do the flow numbers look like in that case?
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Old 07-15-2013 | 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Diesel1030
Honestly depressed.. Glad there is going to be hiring but even being a mil guy I'm thinking it will be next to impossible getting a call with all the flow/ agreement cluster going on.
DL really likes the 60/40 CIV/MIL mix. I'd be willing to bet they are going to do what they can to try to achieve that. It actually bodes worse for the non flow/guaranteed agreement civilian guys than it does for the mil types.
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Old 07-15-2013 | 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Diesel1030
Honestly depressed.. Glad there is going to be hiring but even being a mil guy I'm thinking it will be next to impossible getting a call with all the flow/ agreement cluster going on.
2013 won't have any off the streeters and 2014 will be very, very lean as well although there will be some. After that it should pick up considerably.
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Old 07-15-2013 | 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
Wait and see what happens.
There are some pretty big loopholes in those flow agreements.

What is the definition of "hired"?

We might see "conditional offers of employment". Does that count as a "hire"?

What if they hire 200 guys in one month with class dates spread into the future?
What do the flow numbers look like in that case?
Yep, I think the "large numbers in one month" is Delta's big loop-hole to allow off-the-street hires. If they hire 100 in a month (they have done that before) then you still only get a max of 12 Pinnacle guys. That leaves a lot of room for Mil or other types. They could easily do one class of 100 through indoc and then space out the initial aircraft training as the pipeline allows.
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Old 07-15-2013 | 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by nwaf16dude
Yep, I think the "large numbers in one month" is Delta's big loop-hole to allow off-the-street hires. If they hire 100 in a month (they have done that before) then you still only get a max of 12 Pinnacle guys. That leaves a lot of room for Mil or other types. They could easily do one class of 100 through indoc and then space out the initial aircraft training as the pipeline allows.
They could also run 2 or mor classes in a month and get around the quotas that way.
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Old 07-15-2013 | 10:07 AM
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Thanks for the encouraging words. I still have been updating the application weekly for the past few years. Luckily I'm in a good place to hang out in the meantime while hoping for opportunity. All the DL pilots have been great when commuting and said similar words. It's just hard when you see all the agreements and how little hiring is needed for the next year.
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Old 07-15-2013 | 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
They could also run 2 or mor classes in a month and get around the quotas that way.
I'm pretty sure the Compass and Mesaba agreements are per class, whereas the pinnacle is per month. At least that's how I read it. No legal training involved, of course.
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Old 07-15-2013 | 10:51 AM
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Anyone know if you have interviewed in the past but got the no, do you get a letter that says never come back or just a thanks but no thanks?
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Old 07-15-2013 | 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Diesel1030
Thanks for the encouraging words. I still have been updating the application weekly for the past few years. Luckily I'm in a good place to hang out in the meantime while hoping for opportunity. All the DL pilots have been great when commuting and said similar words. It's just hard when you see all the agreements and how little hiring is needed for the next year.
Being a military guy I wouldn't be depressed. Even if it doesn't seem like it I would say you have a better shot than most people at pinnacle. Thanks for your service
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Old 07-15-2013 | 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by PinnacleFO
Being a military guy I wouldn't be depressed. Even if it doesn't seem like it I would say you have a better shot than most people at pinnacle. Thanks for your service
Is Pinnacle not a guaranteed flowthru like Eagle/AA?
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