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Old 07-14-2013, 09:47 AM   #501  
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Military returns have nothing to do with flows.
Yes, I know... my bad for not expressing myself properly.

After the mil and furloughs have returned for classes, then the flows start right?

My question refers to the amount of flows in each class or month: Is there a percentage of them? max?

Just trying to gauge if there will be off the street hiring at all.

I still see a possibility of it happening, but I could be wrong.
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Old 07-14-2013, 09:49 AM   #502  
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So after the MIL and furlough returns, THEN the flow start at 20 per month?

It seems that 20 per month leave room for hiring off the street to fill the other seats that might be open. The people that are flowing are not 100% of the classes right?
Im pretty sure if it's 20 a month it will all be Compass flows if there are some left. They have first rights after furloughs...
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Yes, I know... my bad for not expressing myself properly.

After the mil and furloughs have returned for classes, then the flows start right?

My question refers to the amount of flows in each class or month: Is there a percentage of them? max?

Just trying to gauge if there will be off the street hiring at all.

I still see a possibility of it happening, but I could be wrong.
Remove mil from your equation. They come and go all the time. There will be some off the street hiring, but the first bit will be taken up by furlough bypass returns and CPZ/XJ flows.
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Cool, thanks!

I definitely see room for actual new hires depending on the amount of pilots returning. It'll be a tough few slots but I think it's possible.
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Remove mil from your equation. They come and go all the time. There will be some off the street hiring, but the first bit will be taken up by furlough bypass returns and CPZ/XJ flows.
I was hired in 2010 and it sounds like they are going to approach it the same exact way. 305 were hired, approximately 150 were furlough recalls and flow throughs and the rest were off the street hires(including people who were from ASA and etc who interviewed). The furlough recalls and flow throughs were in seperate indoc classes than us off the street hires. But we both started on the same day and went and had lunch all in the same room so we could all meet. I'm sure they will be interviewing DCI pilots as well as Mil pilots off the street like me. 150 or so off the street hires were around 60% regional/DCI pilots and 40% ex-mil and other.
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It may be a slow trickle but its a start. That's a good thing. Good luck to everyone
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From my understanding the first 20 are CPZ flows, then 9 XJ flows, then 12 PCL SSP. I know for sure on the flows but I am not 100% on the SSP.
According to Pinnacle's SSP, "Delta will offer the lesser number of the following positions for employment to Pinnacle pilots:
i. one-third (1/3) of all available positions, apart from positions filled under LOA #9 and #10 of the Delta PWA (i.e., Compass and Mesaba Flow-Up) in effect as of December 1, 2012, or

ii. 12 (2013-2016)
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So, 1/3 of a new hire class outside of the flow-thrus would be Pinnacle SSP pilots, meaning 2/3 of the class outside of the flows could come from anywhere (I think the "Scope" section of Delta's CBA inlcudes a provision that 35% of new hire classes will be from ALPA DCI carriers, but that includes all the flows and SSPs).
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Almost . . . the number of Pinnacle pilots in the class is the lesser of 1/3 of the available positions (not including CPZ and XJ flow) or 12.

But let's say it is 12 . . .then 2/3 of that number are SSP positions while 1/3 are for outside the SSP . . . therefore, 12 Pinnacle pilots get positions, 8 from SSP and 4 from outside of SSP in that class, remainder from the street.

The 35% requirement really doesn't matter much while the current flows are ongoing because they are included in that %. . . so, in a hypothetical class of fifty, 29 are flow, which is well above the 35% level.

During the 2009-2010 cycle, over 50% of the new hires came from Delta Connection carriers. IMO, the 35% level will be helpful to the Delta Connection pilots after the flows are exhausted and the Delta retirement big numbers kick in (over 200 age 65 per year starting in 2016).

Good luck to everyone. Time to update/apply.
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ALPA is trying to monopolize the hiring at DAL. If you don't come from the military or from an ALPA regional with an "agreement", good luck!
Where do I need to send the strippers to get an interview?
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Where do I need to send the strippers to get an interview?
Council 44 meeting, August 1st. Not saying it will work, but attendance would skyrocket.
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