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Old 02-27-2015, 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by BrasiliaFlyer View Post
Reminds me of the folks who win the lottery and then cheat on their taxes.

This is even dumber because most have spent hundreds and hundreds of dollars plus hours and hours studying to prepare plus were lucky enough to be called in for the interview... Only to risk it all over 2 hours of first year pay.
Or the guys that thought they could flub an ATP or FE written (when required).
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Old 02-28-2015, 02:25 PM
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After an employee receives the confirmation email from HR, what is the timeline for them to actually pull and score the application? Just wondering because I just made a few changes to my app, and the email was received a week or so ago.
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Old 02-28-2015, 03:38 PM
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After an employee receives the confirmation email from HR, what is the timeline for them to actually pull and score the application? Just wondering because I just made a few changes to my app, and the email was received a week or so ago.

They say it's notification to employee within 14 days and app pull within 30..


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Old 02-28-2015, 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by BrasiliaFlyer View Post
I've noticed that a lot of military guys (and gals) list the number of hours as an IP they have when folks ask for their qualifications.
Would it be prudent for a civilian check airman to list the number of hours doing IOE somewhere on the application? Technically it's not instructor time, so I won't list it with my flight instructor time but would it be advisable to list it under the professional achievements section?
Just wonderin'.
Out of curiosity, why would you not list IOE as instruction given?

Under 121 rules, even though you have the type rating when you come out of the sim, you aren't 'qualified' to fly for that carrier until the end of IOE.

Even if you come to carrier X with a full qualification from carrier Y, you still need to complete carrier X's qualification curriculum, including IOE.

I seem to remember a whole lot of instruction going on during my IOEs; newhire and upgrade. I hope my LCAs were logging instruction given.
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Old 02-28-2015, 08:04 PM
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Good question, maybe others can chime in as well but as far as I'm concerned, I'm not a flight instructor anymore, but rather a LCA. Yes, I provide instruction, but to guys who are technically qualified (maybe not for 121 ops) and nowadays typed on the equipment. I'm not so sure that my "instruction" is the same as dual given. Now, I do keep track of my time as a required crew member while acting in the capacity of a LCA separately... Just not as "dual given" or "instructor".

I'm all ears if someone has a different take on this.
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Old 02-28-2015, 08:33 PM
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Hey guys, should military simulator time ie KC-130 J D level be included in total logbook time even though it's not FAA certified? Thanks and cheers h

You never add sim time to your total time. However, I would log any and all sim time in your log book-makes no difference weather its FAA certified or not as it's not counted towards total time.
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Old 02-28-2015, 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by BrasiliaFlyer View Post
Good question, maybe others can chime in as well but as far as I'm concerned, I'm not a flight instructor anymore, but rather a LCA. Yes, I provide instruction, but to guys who are technically qualified (maybe not for 121 ops) and nowadays typed on the equipment. I'm not so sure that my "instruction" is the same as dual given. Now, I do keep track of my time as a required crew member while acting in the capacity of a LCA separately... Just not as "dual given" or "instructor".

I'm all ears if someone has a different take on this.
I believe you can use your ATP privallegs under part 121 to act as an instructor. This is a gray area. I would log it "as instructor" while your excercising that privallage under 121. I'm sure some one knows this better than I.
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Old 02-28-2015, 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by BrasiliaFlyer View Post
Good question, maybe others can chime in as well but as far as I'm concerned, I'm not a flight instructor anymore, but rather a LCA. Yes, I provide instruction, but to guys who are technically qualified (maybe not for 121 ops) and nowadays typed on the equipment. I'm not so sure that my "instruction" is the same as dual given. Now, I do keep track of my time as a required crew member while acting in the capacity of a LCA separately... Just not as "dual given" or "instructor".

I'm all ears if someone has a different take on this.
FWIW I listed my LCA time conducting IOE as dual given and they seemed to like that.
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Old 02-28-2015, 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by captkdobbs View Post
Out of curiosity, why would you not list IOE as instruction given?

Under 121 rules, even though you have the type rating when you come out of the sim, you aren't 'qualified' to fly for that carrier until the end of IOE.

Even if you come to carrier X with a full qualification from carrier Y, you still need to complete carrier X's qualification curriculum, including IOE.

I seem to remember a whole lot of instruction going on during my IOEs; newhire and upgrade. I hope my LCAs were logging instruction given.
Completely agreed- Time as an LCA giving OE is absolutely 100% dual given. That pilot is typed but not signed off in that seat.

The grayer area is giving line checks. I did a stint at DL as an FO that gave special airport qualifications. The CA wasn't qualified to operate into the airport... sometimes I was in the seat, sometimes I was in the jumpseat, but I was a required pilot. I ended up creating a separate column for that, as it wasn't true dual given (I wasn't the PIC), but I had to be there.

Perhaps a separate column for line checks, but you're shorting yourself if you're not logging LCA time giving OE as dual given.
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I ended up creating a separate column for that, as it wasn't true dual given (I wasn't the PIC), but I had to be there.
What, logging the time incase you want to get on at a major someday?
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