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Old 03-07-2015, 12:26 PM
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And yet you are
Ha, ok, if you can't deal with the facts then I don't know what to tell you.
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Old 03-07-2015, 12:26 PM
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Was it spoken in general? Or was it in relation to single seat/tactical jet vs. multi crew-heavy?

Naturally, one is often lower than the other, either just the wheels up-wheels down time or with the sortie conversion.

And it seems an emerging trend amongst recruiters(doesn't matter WHICH airline) is that they aren't fully aware of the state of industry at times.

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He said it in relation to my specific resume. Heavy IP mixed with some 121 regional time


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Originally Posted by lear700pilot View Post
Ha, ok, if you can't deal with the facts then I don't know what to tell you.
Give me facts.

My new hire class had one black guy. Mil guy with multiple tours in heavies, school house IP. One woman, military, separated at 16 years, heavy pilot. One Asian guy. Everyone else was a white male. Everyone in there had impressive experience.

When I was at training center, like most people I'd always run over to the new hire classes to see friends and old acquaintances and in general congratulate people. Demographics were not noticeably different than in my class.

If Delta is targeting women and minorities, observation indicates they are doing a **** poor job of it.

Everything demographic I've seen from Delta lists experience, background and hours. Never seen anything detailing race or gender.

Those are my facts, what are yours?

Sorry you haven't gotten a call yet. Pretty sure race and gender don't enter into it, but you can feel however you want.
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Old 03-07-2015, 02:30 PM
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To you guys waiting, don't let frustration take over. All you can do is check over your app for errors and keep updating it. As someone who got an invite recently, the call came unexpectedly. I got no fix it email.

You check your email every day and you check your spam folder every day and then one day there is an invite in there and you can't even believe it. I actually thought that my squadron-mates were playing a trick on me at first.

Just hang in there. You will get the call.

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Old 03-07-2015, 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Sputnik View Post
Give me facts.

My new hire class had one black guy. Mil guy with multiple tours in heavies, school house IP. One woman, military, separated at 16 years, heavy pilot. One Asian guy. Everyone else was a white male. Everyone in there had impressive experience.

When I was at training center, like most people I'd always run over to the new hire classes to see friends and old acquaintances and in general congratulate people. Demographics were not noticeably different than in my class.

If Delta is targeting women and minorities, observation indicates they are doing a **** poor job of it.

Everything demographic I've seen from Delta lists experience, background and hours. Never seen anything detailing race or gender.

Those are my facts, what are yours?

Sorry you haven't gotten a call yet. Pretty sure race and gender don't enter into it, but you can feel however you want.
Sputnik,

Please re-read my post. No where in it did I say minorities were majority in the class. What I did state that were facts is "Delta hired 17% minorities in 2014". Looking at that percentage that states they were not majority, but minority.

Since Delta is an Equal Opportunity Employer they can't always find minorities that are as experienced as non minorities. A DAL HR recruiter stated that they have to monitor their stats to keep any government attention off of them for not hiring a reasonable amount of minorities. Hence since minorities are not majority they will not always be able to have as much experience as the majority in general. If companies didn't seek to hire minorities then I wouldn't think that almost 100 vendors would attend WIA.

Congrats! You are at Delta!
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Old 03-07-2015, 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by 4fans View Post
To you guys waiting, don't let frustration take over. All you can do is check over your app for errors and keep updating it. As someone who got an invite recently, the call came unexpectedly. I got no fix it email.

You check your email every day and you check your spam folder every day and then one day there is an invite in there and you can't even believe it. I actually thought that my squadron-mates were playing a trick on me at first.

Just hang in there. You will get the call.

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This seems like the best advice right now. It's easy to read into everything and try to guess what's happening.

The "recruiter" I met with at WAI didn't have a clue what mil pilots do. I have seen plenty of guys get hired with less time and she told me I needed more time and maybe I should consider a regional. I told her I have considered that and she said it would be a good way to see how the 121 world worked. I agreed but then she said I would also get to see what a 5 leg day was like. I had to ask again to see if she was saying what I thought. She repeated it would be good experience to go to a regional to see a 5 leg day. It took all I had in me to not bust out laughing, but instead I calmly explained that I have had plenty of 5 leg days, but mine were in Iraq.

She was barely a day over 25 so I didn't hold too much against her but I don't feel she was a good representation of the crew force I have met at Delta. This all happened after she literally quizzed me on my resume to see if I knew what was on it.

The whole fast pass system for Delta was disappointing compared to the others I met with but in the end it should get your app scored at least if you met with Delta. That was the ultimate goal anyway.
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Old 03-07-2015, 07:17 PM
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That's a shame you had a bad experience at the Job Fair. Unfortunately I've heard about similar experiences from friends about certain recruiters of ours. Just know that they are the rare exception. FWIW I went to like 4 fairs and all the people I met were great.
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Old 03-07-2015, 07:24 PM
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It can't be worse than the experience I had with Atlas at WIA. I had religiously updated my resume every month, brought my resume to the job fair, stood in line for Atlas, then handed my resume to the female recruiter (who happened to actually be an FA), she took my resume, set it on the table behind her, said, "thanks for stopping by, continue to update your resume online, please excuse me", and then left. I stood around for a few minutes thinking she was going to come back, but nope, that was it. I stopped updating my resume at Atlas right after that.
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Old 03-07-2015, 07:52 PM
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It can't be worse than the experience I had with Atlas at WIA. I had religiously updated my resume every month, brought my resume to the job fair, stood in line for Atlas, then handed my resume to the female recruiter (who happened to actually be an FA), she took my resume, set it on the table behind her, said, "thanks for stopping by, continue to update your resume online, please excuse me", and then left. I stood around for a few minutes thinking she was going to come back, but nope, that was it. I stopped updating my resume at Atlas right after that.
was she the one with tall blonde short hair??. if it was.. i had the exact experience.... so she was a FA.....
wow that really helps..
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Old 03-07-2015, 08:13 PM
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It's crazy how different the the experiences can be for each person. It truely is about timing. Only my Delta experience was not a good one. My atlas one was awesome as well. Just by chance I got to meet THE chief pilot of one carrier and he was great to talk with and was happy I had a resume that named his company specifically. We chatted for about 20 min and told me to expect a call to setup an interview. This was my first job fair and don't know how much was BS and how much was legit. Only time will tell I guess.
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