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Old 05-21-2015 | 08:31 AM
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Finishing my airline apps, and had a question about school. Right out of high school and during high school, I took a couple college courses. But then I was in a different career and wasn't in a program. 9 years later when I changed my degree and went back to school, I was doing instructing while finishing my degree and building hours. I slowed my classes down at the end because I didn't want to graduate and have to start repaying my student loans before I had enough hours to get on with a regional.



So how big of a deal is it that my degree shows 13 years to complete since I'm not a doctor? Where is the best place to explain what happened and will it hurt my "score" when rating my application? Also, my driving record only goes back 8 years. I know I had a fender bender in my early 20's but it is not showing. Do I just guess on the dates or not include it since it is not on the official record?

From what you described education-wise, I'd consider listing college twice. The first entry I'd list dates after high school and under program list "non-degree courses" or something like that. The second entry would be dates for when you went back to school to pursue a specific degree program. That would cut the 9 year period out and might make it more clear on paper.
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Old 05-21-2015 | 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by disillusioned
Finishing my airline apps, and had a question about school. Right out of high school and during high school, I took a couple college courses. But then I was in a different career and wasn't in a program. 9 years later when I changed my degree and went back to school, I was doing instructing while finishing my degree and building hours. I slowed my classes down at the end because I didn't want to graduate and have to start repaying my student loans before I had enough hours to get on with a regional.

So how big of a deal is it that my degree shows 13 years to complete since I'm not a doctor? Where is the best place to explain what happened and will it hurt my "score" when rating my application? Also, my driving record only goes back 8 years. I know I had a fender bender in my early 20's but it is not showing. Do I just guess on the dates or not include it since it is not on the official record?
The important thing to remember about the weights and points and all that is to keep them in perspective. If "longer than 4 years" takes away points, it usually doesn't take away enough to not hire someone unless there are (usually several) other reasons not to hire them. And some things add points. Working your way through school and being a self starter are huge with most HR departments. DL's definately values that. 4 years at a party school on daddy's dime while not working isn't any better than 4+ working your way through on your own paying your own way working full time and financing your own flight training.

Get with a professional interview prep company. This is exactly the type of stuff they can help put on a T for you to not only mitigate the negatives but to absolutely knock it out of the park when asked. And you will be asked.
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Old 05-21-2015 | 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Redbird611
From what you described education-wise, I'd consider listing college twice. The first entry I'd list dates after high school and under program list "non-degree courses" or something like that. The second entry would be dates for when you went back to school to pursue a specific degree program. That would cut the 9 year period out and might make it more clear on paper.
Excellent suggestion Redbird. Thanks for the input. That would actually make more sense and be able to show when I went back to finish my ratings and degree.

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Get with a professional interview prep company. This is exactly the type of stuff they can help put on a T for you to not only mitigate the negatives but to absolutely knock it out of the park when asked. And you will be asked.
I have purchased the audio files from ECI and have been reviewing those. They have an application and resume review available as well. I was considering the app review but I wasn't sure how beneficial the resume review would be. Sounds like you are saying the application review would be worth the money. I was also planning on doing the interview prep as well.
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Old 05-21-2015 | 09:36 AM
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I have heard that having to many hours is bad for your score. Does anyone know if this is actually true? I have around 10,500, all regional. The biggest problem is that no one was hiring for around 3-4 years which is right after I upgraded so I have been sitting around collecting hours.
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Old 05-21-2015 | 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Livinthedreem
I have heard that having to many hours is bad for your score.
Having improper grammar is even worse.
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Old 05-21-2015 | 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Livinthedreem
I have heard that having to many hours is bad for your score. Does anyone know if this is actually true? I have around 10,500, all regional. The biggest problem is that no one was hiring for around 3-4 years which is right after I upgraded so I have been sitting around collecting hours.
Would not be surprised since this would apply to many civilians that have been in your situation and tend to have a much higher TT than mil guys. I read a while back that FDX once said that anyone over 6000 hours is untrainable!
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Old 05-21-2015 | 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Livinthedreem
I have heard that having to many hours is bad for your score. Does anyone know if this is actually true? I have around 10,500, all regional. The biggest problem is that no one was hiring for around 3-4 years which is right after I upgraded so I have been sitting around collecting hours.
That's not true. People are getting hired with 50% more than that, although the average is a few thousand less and I'd imagine that's mostly due to the military numbers. I don't know your other quals but you're very qualified as far as flight time. There are a lot of people in your shoes, though.

On the flip side, does anyone know if there's a "floor" before which people won't get looked at? I keep seeing the low civil numbers being 3500-4000, and maybe something like 1500 for military? If you have a solid resume, but are below a certain number of hours for either civil or military (if that exists), will you be overlooked?
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Old 05-21-2015 | 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by crflyer
That's not true. People are getting hired with 50% more than that, although the average is a few thousand less and I'd imagine that's mostly due to the military numbers. I don't know your other quals but you're very qualified as far as flight time. There are a lot of people in your shoes, though.

On the flip side, does anyone know if there's a "floor" before which people won't get looked at? I keep seeing the low civil numbers being 3500-4000, and maybe something like 1500 for military? If you have a solid resume, but are below a certain number of hours for either civil or military (if that exists), will you be overlooked?

I got the invite with just over 1700 mil and 400 civ (100 pt121)...no conversions applied


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Old 05-21-2015 | 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by f10a
Would not be surprised since this would apply to many civilians that have been in your situation and tend to have a much higher TT than mil guys. I read a while back that FDX once said that anyone over 6000 hours is untrainable!
It wasn't that they are "untrainable". It's that theit supercalifragiltic head shrinking psycho babbling had determined that people over that had less of a "success rate" in training. How all the people hired above that number made it through remains a mystery.....

Not sure if they're STILL using it, applicants were ranked with a 0-10 scale, 7 being the minimum to be selected for interview.

LCA, high GPA, over 10k TT, no checkride failures, scored a 6. Sponsor/CP said the TT is driving the app towards 6.

It was advised to get it to a 7 would require doing one of a few different things; Take on another position, safety, sim instructor, chief pilot, etc.
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Old 05-21-2015 | 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by gredenko
Having improper grammar is even worse.
Now THAT is funny!
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