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Old 05-22-2015 | 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by TED74
Go back and read post 8004. I quoted a narrow portion of one of your posts...that I believed to be inaccurate (still do). I asked if you knew what you were saying to be accurate, so I could correct my input to buddies I'd like to be hired at Delta. You then went off on a bunch of tangents, with a great deal of information that is indeed correct, and which I fully understand (I know that surprises you). I even understand the MANUAL SCORING SYSTEM quite well. If your ego can't accept that you gave some incorrect advice (with good intentions), there's not much I can do about it. The readers have plenty to chew on.

No, I'm not peddling anything. I'm a recent hire (failed one interview and passed my second) trying to help applicants who haven't yet had the luck I had.
What the heck, I'll play along again. What "incorrect gouge" did I give you?
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Old 05-22-2015 | 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by John Carr
TED, you'll realize (if you haven't ALREADY), that Gloopy is ALWAYS right. No matter what...........
And I have never once accidentally transmitted on guard. And I don't ask for wind checks, because I can just tell, you know?
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Old 05-22-2015 | 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Learflyer
Shorter time to a degree May be more normal, but not necessarily better.
I'm not disagreeing with that. There are many ways to get to your goal and that is not the end all metric by any means. All things being equal, finishing a 4 year degree in 4 years is preferred, and weight/points is given to that. However weight/points is also given to many things that would cause or correlate with taking longer than 4 years. So its simultaneously possible to lose points because of it, but in a way where you end up gaining more points. This is what he absolutely can't wrap his mind around. He's only focusing on the "points" of the timeline to a degree and nothing else and then radically over emphasizing it and then either giving career advice to people that already have their degrees (in whatever time it took them so they can't change it) or people who are still in college and many years away from getting their application scored and interviewed and by then it will have changed anyway.
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Old 05-22-2015 | 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by TED74
Where are you getting this information?
I'm sorry Senator I do not recall.

it ABSOLUTELY favors an on-time graduation over a delayed one.
True…….sort of. Its the part of "all things being equal" that you're not getting. Go read post 8003. A trust fund kid at a crappy party school that finishes in 4.0 years does NOT get a net point value higher than a self starter that worked full time or served in the guard and got a harder degree at a harder school but took 5.0 years. While he may have gotten more points for the 4.0 years, he lost points (or didn't get points) for the other things directly related to it. The 5.0 kid may have lost a few points, but those were more than made up for, for a net gain. You simply are not comprehending this concept.

If you know otherwise, correct me.
Trying to but you're not listening because you have tunnel vision on one thing despite other things directly related to that thing.
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Old 05-23-2015 | 06:58 AM
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The application asks the number of years in college and highest degree. I assume if you list the total time it took to complete your undergrad and grad degrees, it will be obvious and not count against you for being 6 years vs 4 years, or whatever the case may be?
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Old 05-23-2015 | 07:59 AM
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True…….sort of. Its the part of "all things being equal" that you're not getting. Go read post 8003. A trust fund kid at a crappy party school that finishes in 4.0 years does NOT get a net point value higher than a self starter that worked full time or served in the guard and got a harder degree at a harder school but took 5.0 years. While he may have gotten more points for the 4.0 years, he lost points (or didn't get points) for the other things directly related to it. The 5.0 kid may have lost a few points, but those were more than made up for, for a net gain.

It's my understanding that points are never taken from your total score but that points are given to those meeting or having certain things on their app. Should you score enough points you will be offered an interview. 5 years or less gets you so many points but if you did it in more than 5 years, you don't score those points. It's just like being a checkairman, if you are a checkairman then you get some points, if your not a checkairman then it's not held against you, you just don't score the points for having one. It's the entire app they look at and it would appear that not any one single blip on your app will keep you from getting the the invite.
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Old 05-23-2015 | 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Flycameron
It's my understanding that points are never taken from your total score but that points are given to those meeting or having certain things on their app. Should you score enough points you will be offered an interview. 5 years or less gets you so many points but if you did it in more than 5 years, you don't score those points. It's just like being a checkairman, if you are a checkairman then you get some points, if your not a checkairman then it's not held against you, you just don't score the points for having one. It's the entire app they look at and it would appear that not any one single blip on your app will keep you from getting the the invite.
The point distribution example was relative and a hypothetical example. For some reason he seems rabidly intent on knowing exactly how every aspect of every meteric of the process works, as if he wants to sit down with people and work a spreadsheet and come up with their exact score. He's never (ever) going to find that out and for good reason. But the gist of the point still stands.

If a 6 year BA degree takes away 2 or 500 or a million points, or if it takes away none but a 4 year BA degree adds 2 or 500 or a million points we're talking about the same thing.

Time to degree is one metric that is part of the scoring system. But in almost every case, factors that effected the time to degree for negative points (or lack of positive points) will have the oppositive effect, quite often in excess, for a net positive.

But I suppose if you are talking to a bushy tailed bright eyed college freshman you could give the borderline irrelevant advice of "its better to finish your degree on time than to delay it for years for absolutely no reason". Apparently there are some kids out there in need of this advice.
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Old 05-23-2015 | 10:01 AM
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So it now seems not only does GPA matter but how long it took to finish college. Do you score points for how many jobs you were working during college to pay for it 20 years ago? Just curious.

Are there any other items of selection we should know about that some might not have thought of?
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Old 05-23-2015 | 10:01 AM
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http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome
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Old 05-23-2015 | 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by WARich
So it now seems not only does GPA matter but how long it took to finish college. Do you score points for how many jobs you were working during college to pay for it 20 years ago? Just curious.

Are there any other items of selection we should know about that some might not have thought of?
Sorry, WARich...that last post of mine was not for you.
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