Don't sweat it. The angst of those not getting on in the first year of a decades long hiring wave is strong and I guess I get that. But guys are way over analyzing things like this. If your whole app is strong that is not going to prevent your app from getting pulled, and will be IMO a massive feather in your cap come interview day.

 

I'm trying to overcome the whole 2/3 of my time (helicopters) not counting, so anything negative hurts.

My logbook says 4576 hours. My application says 1700.

 

I think folks have every right to analyze the system responsible for the possibility and/or timing of their dream job. Perhaps your posts lift up those who come here for a boost or words of encouragement. But they can also confuse those who come here for facts about the candidate selection process. I am NOT an insider, so my opinion is just best-guess - no one should take it as authoritative.

From the same university, a 4-year Communications major graduating with a 3.8 on time will score better than an EE major finishing in 5 years with a 2.9...even though we all know who worked harder. It's far from perfect, but it's how the game is played at the moment.

And I don't believe these things are re-scored during the intetview...the questions asked are...which may or may not dive deeply into one's collegiate experiences.

 

Its not a matter of being "rescored" during the interview. Its a matter of how you handle the interview. Once you get to that point, for that one isolated issue its better for you if you got the harder degree and/or worked your way through and that's why it took a bit longer to get it.

As for the points, remember they set the parameters. ALL of the parameters. They can filter GPA and time to degree as well as what degrees were in, where they were earned and many other factors, and they can set the scoring system to see if someone was working in school or not and many other factors. All inside the app scoring system, which HAS A MANUAL COMPONENT. You don't seem to want to accept that for some reason.

You really need to unwrap yourself around this axel. You are way over analyzing this one isolated metric that is only a tiny part of a huge selection process, app scoring included. All things 100% equal, they do prefer finishing school on time. But there is way more to it than that. I'm trying to help you out as much as I can and you're playing hostile courtroom cross examiner trying hard to catch me in a contradiction for some reason. They know what they want and I'm telling you they value work ethic and self starters and they know how to look for that at EVERY STEP of the process, from the MANUAL scoring of the apps to the face to face interview.

All things being 100% equal, the degree in 4 years is better than the degree in 5 years. But in your hypothetical example all things aren't equal, are they?

 

No axel-wrapping on my part. Just trying to give applicants as clear a picture of the hiring process as possible so they can make smart decisions about their app, their career, and getting an interview ASAP. I'm talking about this one issue not because it's the most important, but because I felt like you were giving erroneous information to the masses, who are hungry (as I was) for any and all (correct) information. The 5-year EE major might very well need to get him/herself to a job fair (yes, it would help everyone). If someone is contemplating extending their degree to get a minor, I might suggest they do otherwise. If someone thinks their side job during college better postures them for an interview than a higher GPA, I'd disagree at the moment.

 

Got ya. What I'm wondering is if, say, you had a really good resume but they would not call you until you hit X hours, all other things aside. Does anyone know if there's any sort of filter like this? Just throwing out 1500 for mil and 4000 civil as examples. Are people going to waste an internal rec for a year if their time isn't XXX...

 

How about this explanation regarding education?:
1.) Aviation/Higher-ranked school probably scores higher than Party School.
2.) 4-yr Completion probably scores higher than >4-yr Completion
3.) Aviation/Engineering/Challenging Degree probably scores higher than Under-water Basket Weaving
4.) 4.0 GPA probably scores higher than a 3.0 GPA
5.) Having job dates that coincide with college probably scores higher than not. (perhaps it shows you were working your way through school)

And probably, the infinite combination of the above 5 items scores differently.

I would guess that the absolute highest scoring educational situation would be attaining an Aviation/Engineering Degree from a Highly-rated/Aviation University, completing in 4 years with a 4.0, all while flying and holding down a job or two. Education score: One Meeelion Points!

The problem is that, even if you max out the education score, this is only one part of a very complex application. Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to maximize your application's total score to that magical threshold that will trigger the interview invite. And before you ask, no, I don't know the magic score. Sorry.

 

I think most know on here that I am still an outside guy looking in - I just like to make this statement so most can stop here and move on to the next post

TED makes a good point with his paragraph from above stating "Every right to analyze the system responsible for and/or the timing of their dream job." This isn't to mean that we have rights to knowing how Delta's system is set up - that's proprietary to them of course, but we should do our dangest to try and figure it out. Just one mistake could cost an applicant six months or years of seniority. I've done two interview preps and one was with a Delta recruiter that has a side business doing interview prep. He looked at my app and stated "it's clean and very competitive", but I haven't heard a word and that's been a while ago since he reviewed my app. I know I and and many will get the call, but how much will be lost in the process? Some say don't worry the hiring hasn't even started, but we never know what tomorrow will bring to screw it up again for another lost decade.

One thing that I can give validity to after attending two conferences and having three Delta recruiters tell me the same information - there is a Selection Team and an Interview Team. Those trying to get an invite are trying to tip the scales in favor of the SELECTION TEAM. Once you get the invite then it is the INTERVIEW TEAM that you have to prove yourself to. The Selection Team does not seem to be near as big of a group of people as the interview team.

The point I am trying to make is that so many of us just want to find a way to tip the Section team scales in our favor. So much of our careers seems to be judged now off what we did 10, 15, and 20 years ago in college or the degree we got. I have a non aviation but technical degree with a high gpa. It took me 6 years to complete while working through it to pay for it and flight training, but a pure civ FO guy I flew with recently that graduated riddle with a good gpa and did that in 4 years is training to be a 767 driver at DAL. That is not all that got him the job, but on a flight before he left we talked about what set him apart and that was the highlight. I took the first upgrade, have thousands of 121 PIC hrs, training department work, but PIC hrs definitely don't seem have the weight for the selection team they used to. Maybe to the interview team they might make a big impression.

Please do not think I am trying to compare myself to others and say I am better than someone else because that's not the case here - I've been told once before I was coming across that way. My point is I've been trying to proactively find ways to improve myself and find out what is helping others get noticed and see if it is something I can do as well without putting too much stress on family life in the process.

Those getting the invite now can easily say "hey, this is what works", but we can't all go back to what we did over a decade ago, maybe we can change some of the short term stuff, but short term is something that almost everyone will change as well. It is what it is, but hopefully a year from now vast majority on here will be complaining about how our profit sharing should be ... percent!

 

I interviewed with 3500 TT, 1500 of which was helo time, don't sweat it too much. Then again, I attached a Glamour Shots photo to my app and was called a couple days later.

Humboldt

 

I will have completed my degree in 22 years. How's that? But....I've shown longevity and grit weathering multiple furloughs, was a LCA, Training Center Examiner, and Sim Instructor. Not to mention about 7 type ratings so I'm trainable.