I wouldn't worry about the time it took to get the double major. I took 9 semesters for EE/ROTC to get 148 credit hours (I think it was like 124 required to graduate but my school didn't apply any of the ROTC classes towards my major). Coming out of the military you're used to all the tech majors out there. Once I got hired I have found very few people with tech majors other than those same guys who had them in the military. Not to say there aren't any, but for the most part the high % of engineering majors to become a pilot is a (stupid) military anomaly. In my non-insider information opinion, I think your double engineering major in 5 years is a plus, not a minus.

It's like the military prides itself on making officers get really hard degrees and then never let us use them. Other than looking good on my airline application, my engineering degree has done NOTHING for me since earning it over 20 years ago. Sorry for the minor rant .

 

That and don't forget the required Masters Degree.

 

That's the amazing thing about it, in the airline world, your engineering degree has value, but in the engineering world, because it is so old without any recent experience, is worthless. It would make a whole lot more sense if airlines required an aviation degree, but then there would be a shortage, and they would have to pay us more money.

 

Yeah, forgot about that gem. At least my masters degree is in aviation safety from ERAU. Not saying it is terribly more applicable than my undergrad but at least an outsider might think it helps me do a better job.

Funny, I never really even considered this. Very astute point.

EDIT: on 2nd thought, I had a friend who tried to hire me to a defense contractor to manage engineering projects. I told him how little I remembered about engineering but he said it didn't matter, he just needed somebody who could talk the talk. I think I'd have done very poorly but in regard to the point, the degree would've helped me get the job if not necessarily do well at it.

 

And the whole issue of college times and GPA in its entirety is a small part of the overall picture, including the MANUAL SCORING system. Longer than 4.0 years and lower GPA's ARE getting hired right now. Its about your total app. You are WAY over emphasising this one tiny issue.

As for trying to craft advice for new people at this point, its a bit late for that. By the time anyone still in college gets the time and experience to be even remotely competitive things will have changed a lot and we'll be deep into the bell curve of tier II anyway.

You are WAY over-emphasising this.

 

You're an odd duck. I'm not emphasizing anything...not even the MANUAL SCORING system that for some reason REQUIRES CAPS. Just keeping it real after you passed some bad gouge. Cheers!

 

I didn't post bad gouge. You're not listening. I don't know if you are hired yet, a hopeful applicant or some kind of consultant but either way you have a pretty bad attitude and a complete inability to listen.

All things being equal, a shorter time to degree is better. You understand that, right?

All things being equal, a higher GPA is better. Got it?

All things being equal, a better/harder school is better. OK?

All things being equal, being a self starter and working through school is better than being a trust fund party kid. That make sense? Some of the above are at odds with most applicants. IOW, if you buff one it may degrade the other, etc.

Now here's where your Jenga is stacked too high I think: They know what they want and they know what to look for. You don't seem able to comprehend this. Yes there are points. But points are assigned during scoring. MANUAL SCORING. I keep capitalizing that because you're not getting it. They respect working/serving your way through school and if it takes a little longer but you have a good verifiable reason its more of a positive than a negative, including in the MANUAL SCORING portion of your app. -3 points (point value irrelevant) for the extra year, +4 points because you were serving in the National Guard at the same time. Get it?

So keep advising your clients or whatever to get degrees in basketweaving from a community college as long as finishing sooner is their only priority because they should go after THOSE points.

I'm trying to help you understand the process from a wholistic perspective and you are the one trying to invent bad gouge to peddle to whoever you're working with and I'm not sure why you're doing that.

 

Go back and read post 8004. I quoted a narrow portion of one of your posts...that I believed to be inaccurate (still do). I asked if you knew what you were saying to be accurate, so I could correct my input to buddies I'd like to be hired at Delta. You then went off on a bunch of tangents, with a great deal of information that is indeed correct, and which I fully understand (I know that surprises you). I even understand the MANUAL SCORING SYSTEM quite well. If your ego can't accept that you gave some incorrect advice (with good intentions), there's not much I can do about it. The readers have plenty to chew on.

No, I'm not peddling anything. I'm a recent hire (failed one interview and passed my second) trying to help applicants who haven't yet had the luck I had.

 

TED, you'll realize (if you haven't ALREADY), that Gloopy is ALWAYS right. No matter what...........

 

Shorter time to a degree May be more normal, but not necessarily better.