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Old 08-10-2013 | 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by EmbraerFlyer
Thanks for the info
You're welcome. Even if you do get NYC based, I found it enjoyable. It was a new job, you're treated well, and there's a wide variety of flying.

At the rate AEs will be coming out with the hiring machine finally churning, you'll find movement out very quickly.
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Old 08-10-2013 | 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
Actually, it would be duly noted. Unless there's two of you.
Lol got me on that one. Can I blame my phones autocorrect?

The flow was taken away before I had a chance. I won't apologize for utilizing the SSP. It'll take 5+ years to get to my seniority number and I've been at this company for 14 years. If no one else hires me I will roll the dice with it. My union negotiated it and I'm glad they got something for us out of the ****can of a sham bankruptcy.
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Old 08-10-2013 | 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by EmbraerFlyer
Since we are on the subject of entitlement; are you stuck in a particular base until an AE comes out. For example, let’s say you get NYC88 but want to be ATL88 and it takes 2 years for an AE, are you then stuck in NYC until an AE. Is AE the only type of bidding or is there more frequency in other bidding.
Freezes are 24 months, 9 if you go 7ER -> 765*, and 12 months for new hires. The 12 months was added in the last letter of agreement (LOA 31) prior to the new contract.

“Category freeze” means a period of time
a. that is determined under Section 22 G.... which reads 22.G.1. A pilot who is awarded an AE or VD will incur a 24-month category freeze, and an entry level pilot will incur a 12-month category freeze.
b. that commences on the date of a pilot’s award of an AE or VD for which qualification training is required or on an entry level pilot’s date of employment with the Company as a pilot, and
c. during which the pilot will (unless declared eligible by the Company) be ineligible to be awarded another AE with an earliest conversion date falling within the freeze period (other than to a new or reestablished category) for which qualification training is required.
So to reiterate:
22.G.1. A pilot who is awarded an AE or VD will incur a 24-month category freeze, and an entry level pilot will incur a 12-month category freeze.
Now the good news, NYC 88 B to ATL 88 B does not require qualification training. So according to the transition working group notepad for section 22 filing vacancies (written pre LOA 31 and contract but I don't think anything changed here), when the next AE comes out after getting NYC 88 B you can be awarded an AE to a different base on the same aircraft without regard to your freeze.

So you should be able to make that move.

765* = 764.

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Old 08-10-2013 | 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by xjcrew1
Lol got me on that one. Can I blame my phones autocorrect?

The flow was taken away before I had a chance. I won't apologize for utilizing the SSP. It'll take 5+ years to get to my seniority number and I've been at this company for 14 years. If no one else hires me I will roll the dice with it. My union negotiated it and I'm glad they got something for us out of the ****can of a sham bankruptcy.


No reason to apologize. Take what you can get - everyone else does, and you should too.


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Old 08-10-2013 | 11:12 PM
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When do interviews begin?

Will the first classes be just the furlough/bypass guys coming back or will it be an immediate mix of bypass, flows, pref int, and off the street new hires?
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Old 08-11-2013 | 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by xjcrew1
Lol got me on that one. Can I blame my phones autocorrect?
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My phone does that a lot. I hate analcorrect....
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Old 08-11-2013 | 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by EmbraerFlyer
My phone does that a lot. I hate analcorrect....
*Autocorrect.

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Old 08-11-2013 | 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by erjpilot
When do interviews begin?

Will the first classes be just the furlough/bypass guys coming back or will it be an immediate mix of bypass, flows, pref int, and off the street new hires?
From the few pages on here it sounds like off the street won't be until later next year because of flows.
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Old 08-11-2013 | 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Wasatch Phantom
WELL SAID!

I'll be blunt: I don't think being an ALPA member should have any weight whatsoever on who gets hired. I also feel that flying for a regional carrier currently affiliated with Delta should have no bearing either.

I find the the attitude of entitlement among some regional pilots because "I'm ALPA" or because "I fly Delta passengers" offensive.

To paraphrase Scambo: I want Delta to hire the best candidates - period. And I want them to compete on an equal footing, without the equivalent of an ALPA national negotiated airline affirmative action program.
"like!"

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Old 08-11-2013 | 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Fly782
From the few pages on here it sounds like off the street won't be until later next year because of flows.
Ding ding ding!! Winner! Winner! Chicken dinner!!
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