DAL Poolie Info
11-24-2013, 08:39 AM
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Pilot Selection was very clear about this on interview day. The purpose of building a pool was to have fill-in for hold back (should the hold back option be exercised). He will fill vacancies left by Furlough recalls and hold-back beginning in January. Flows held back will retain seniority effective their original offered class date. Jan will be 14 off the street and maybe a lot more.
Hillbilly, are you saying that's not legal?
I read in another thread (posted by a Compass guy) that Compass exercised the hold-back for 60 days. If that's not accurate, our assumptions are off. Can anybody confirm?
Hillbilly, are you saying that's not legal?
I read in another thread (posted by a Compass guy) that Compass exercised the hold-back for 60 days. If that's not accurate, our assumptions are off. Can anybody confirm?
11-24-2013, 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Indy
Pilot Selection was very clear about this on interview day. The purpose of building a pool was to have fill-in for hold back (should the hold back option be exercised). He will fill vacancies left by Furlough recalls and hold-back beginning in January. Flows held back will retain seniority effective their original offered class date. Jan will be 14 off the street and maybe a lot more.
Hillbilly, are you saying that's not legal?
I read in another thread (posted by a Compass guy) that Compass exercised the hold-back for 60 days. If that's not accurate, our assumptions are off. Can anybody confirm?
Hillbilly, are you saying that's not legal?
I read in another thread (posted by a Compass guy) that Compass exercised the hold-back for 60 days. If that's not accurate, our assumptions are off. Can anybody confirm?
We received a letter that started our 45 day clock per the CBA and day 45 is on Dec 2nd so we should know more then.
11-24-2013, 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by bohicagain
I'm in the first flow class and so far we have not received any specific info to a class date or hold backs
We received a letter that started our 45 day clock per the CBA and day 45 is on Dec 2nd so we should know more then.
We received a letter that started our 45 day clock per the CBA and day 45 is on Dec 2nd so we should know more then.
11-25-2013, 03:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Hillbilly
My understanding is that even if Compass holds pilots back for the full 3 months (Endeavor has that option as well with the XJ flow pilots), they still take up the slots. This is based on the language in LOAs #9 - Compass Flow and #10 - Mesaba Flow contained in the Delta PWA. If 50 slots are to be filled in a month:
50 slots remaining
20 Compass flow pilots (even if they are held back) = 30 remaining slots
9 XJ flow pilots (even if they are held back) = 21 remaining slots
7 Endeavor SSP pilots (1/3 of 21) = 14 remaining slots
50 slots remaining
20 Compass flow pilots (even if they are held back) = 30 remaining slots
9 XJ flow pilots (even if they are held back) = 21 remaining slots
7 Endeavor SSP pilots (1/3 of 21) = 14 remaining slots
11-25-2013, 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Hillbilly
My understanding is that even if Compass holds pilots back for the full 3 months (Endeavor has that option as well with the XJ flow pilots), they still take up the slots. This is based on the language in LOAs #9 - Compass Flow and #10 - Mesaba Flow contained in the Delta PWA. If 50 slots are to be filled in a month:
50 slots remaining
20 Compass flow pilots (even if they are held back) = 30 remaining slots
9 XJ flow pilots (even if they are held back) = 21 remaining slots
7 Endeavor SSP pilots (1/3 of 21) = 14 remaining slots
50 slots remaining
20 Compass flow pilots (even if they are held back) = 30 remaining slots
9 XJ flow pilots (even if they are held back) = 21 remaining slots
7 Endeavor SSP pilots (1/3 of 21) = 14 remaining slots
Originally Posted by MikefromMT
Hillbilly,
Are you saying that a compass holdback results in DAL deciding to have empty seats in the training classes, or that contractually the position of seniority is retained even if the flow is delayed?
Are you saying that a compass holdback results in DAL deciding to have empty seats in the training classes, or that contractually the position of seniority is retained even if the flow is delayed?
20 Compass flows held back
9 XJ flows held back
7 SSP pilots
43 off the street new hires
79 pilots added to the seniority list, but only 50 in class for that month due to the hold backs.
Contractually, the flow pilots that are held back will have their Delta seniority and date of employment calculated and maintained as if they had been in the new hire class which Delta initially offered them.
Again, my apologies for any confusion my original post caused.
11-25-2013, 08:10 AM
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Is the hiring plan still at 50 per month through January and only 20 per month after that as was originally published? I know there has been rumor of more than that, but has anyone seen an announcement? It is sounding like at least half if not all of the Compass flows will be released to start class in January. And 30-60 day holdbacks from February on. Still no official announcement.
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