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11-28-2014 | 11:58 AM
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DALPA has a relationship with this pilot group and the meeting attendance and the survey participation rate is a direct reflection of that relationship. It takes two to tango. It doesn't take one side saying "it's all your fault".
I go to meetings when I can, I participate in surveys and I also communicate my concerns to reps. It also just happens that I'm not thrilled with the direction the MEC is going. You know what OFG, I'm apparently not the only one.
11-28-2014 | 01:08 PM
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Extremely difficult to rally the troops when a handful of guys running the union make the same mistakes over and over again. See AF/KLM JV cure period and what a losing proposition that has been only to be followed by a similar TA put out for Virgin Atlantic. Unconscionable what a handful of guys give away on behalf of this pilot group.
11-28-2014 | 02:07 PM
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11-28-2014 | 02:52 PM
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11-28-2014 | 02:52 PM
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11-28-2014 | 02:55 PM
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Extremely difficult to rally the troops when a handful of guys running the union make the same mistakes over and over again. See AF/KLM JV cure period and what a losing proposition that has been only to be followed by a similar TA put out for Virgin Atlantic. Unconscionable what a handful of guys give away on behalf of this pilot group.
11-28-2014 | 03:07 PM
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He didn't mischaracterize you. That's exactly what your actions do, and you're OK with that. In fact, you think you're doing us a favor.
No you don't Karnak. You want what's best for our management partners because you're all in on the Moak "trickle down" theory.
No, you just get chapped when people call you out on your real motivations. Even ALPA knows their trickle down theory would be rejected by the membership.
You have no idea what's acceptable to most Delta pilots this time. But the arrogance is typical of a member of the MEC administration.
Carl
No you don't Karnak. You want what's best for our management partners because you're all in on the Moak "trickle down" theory.
No, you just get chapped when people call you out on your real motivations. Even ALPA knows their trickle down theory would be rejected by the membership.
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11-28-2014 | 03:17 PM
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3. If the Company is not in compliance with the minimum international operation requirement (under Section 1 R. 1.) or the minimum ASK requirement (under Section 1 R. 2.) in any measurement period, the Company will cure any such breach by complying with the minimum international operation or ASK requirement, as applicable, in the subsequent measurement period.
Can't you see the danger here? Can't you see this will allow an every other year non-compliance and still be perfectly legal? Can't you see it allows for no penalties whatsoever for non-compliance other than a grievance? Can you speak to that specifically sailingfun?
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11-28-2014 | 03:22 PM
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We've already seen that mother Delta has no problem violating our contract.
11-28-2014 | 03:50 PM
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It's not the numbers sailingfun, the numbers seem fine. It's paragraph 1.R.3 which is the problem. Here it is again:
3. If the Company is not in compliance with the minimum international operation requirement (under Section 1 R. 1.) or the minimum ASK requirement (under Section 1 R. 2.) in any measurement period, the Company will cure any such breach by complying with the minimum international operation or ASK requirement, as applicable, in the subsequent measurement period.
Can't you see the danger here? Can't you see this will allow an every other year non-compliance and still be perfectly legal? Can't you see it allows for no penalties whatsoever for non-compliance other than a grievance? Can you speak to that specifically sailingfun?
Carl
3. If the Company is not in compliance with the minimum international operation requirement (under Section 1 R. 1.) or the minimum ASK requirement (under Section 1 R. 2.) in any measurement period, the Company will cure any such breach by complying with the minimum international operation or ASK requirement, as applicable, in the subsequent measurement period.
Can't you see the danger here? Can't you see this will allow an every other year non-compliance and still be perfectly legal? Can't you see it allows for no penalties whatsoever for non-compliance other than a grievance? Can you speak to that specifically sailingfun?
Carl
If you built some penalty into the process and the company refused to comply with the penalty what then is your option? The grievance process. I suspect we tried to get some known penalty and the company refused. Would it then have been better to stay with what we currently have?
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