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Old 06-10-2015 | 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Professor
I think you can make that argument with any give and take in a TA?

Honestly I don't know. Unforeseen consequences and all that.

It will not change the top 25% of biddable LCA trips. But sure, it will change how about 180 people bid each month system wide.
I think you need to think about it some more!

As was said before, the trickle down effect will possibly affect every line holder in an FO category below the top 25%.

I know my possibility is only in a "perfect world" so to speak but only affecting 180 people................nope I think that number is not even close.

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Old 06-10-2015 | 08:22 AM
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Denny, Tune,

The impact will be the 180, as I mentioned...direct impact. But also there is an expected 1-2% change in the number of line holders in each category affected.

Clearly this is going to see a bigger impact in the new hire aircraft categories as well.

Does that answer the question?
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Old 06-10-2015 | 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Professor
It is a QOL change for 250 pilots each month.

These are the number who bid w/ LCA /OE's each month currently.

Granted, that 250 could be anyone senior in category each month. But of our pilot group that is the number effected each month.
Sorry Prof. That is complete B.S.

You pull 75% of LCA trips out of the pot prior to the F/O bid run, it will affect the majority of the F/O's QOL at the entire airline.

There is a laundry list of concessions in this thing that are an automatic "no" from me. This one is near the top.
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Old 06-10-2015 | 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Professor
It is a QOL change for 250 pilots each month.

These are the number who bid w/ LCA /OE's each month currently.

Granted, that 250 could be anyone senior in category each month. But of our pilot group that is the number effected each month.
This post and your next one you post after it are completely false. Please edit them before you mislead anyone into thinking EVERY SINGLE FO isn't affected by this language. The bid package for ALL FOs is smaller, and to think that the top FOs will all bid identically to the LCAs (and therefore remain unaffected) is moronic.
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Old 06-10-2015 | 08:23 AM
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This may have been discussed but not only are we losing out on the PS trigger going to 6.5B we are also losing out on the 15% they contribute to our 401K on that larger PS payout. Another great way we are funding our raises.
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Old 06-10-2015 | 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Quint
Sorry Prof. That is complete B.S.

You pull 75% of LCA trips out of the pot prior to the F/O bid run, it will affect the majority of the F/O's QOL at the entire airline.

There is a laundry list of concessions in this thing that are an automatic "no" from me. This one is near the top.
quint, please see my post above your original.

i would say if it effects a category new hires populate disproportionately.
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Old 06-10-2015 | 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by TED74
This post and your next one you post after it are completely false. Please edit them before you mislead anyone into thinking EVERY SINGLE FO isn't affected by this language. The bid package for ALL FOs is smaller, and to think that the top FOs will all bid identically to the LCAs (and therefore remain unaffected) is moronic.
I'm not going to edit them. The facts are what they are. Yes, there will be trickle down effects. There is no question.

I have stated as much.
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Old 06-10-2015 | 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Professor
It is something to consider if the membership gets to vote on the TA.

The full implementation of this language is something I am guessing that crew resources can't predict either.

But as I said, it is something to consider when considering the TA as a whole.

I have a question for you, Professor. Actually, I'm asking the pilot group as a whole.

If you take the pay raise out of the TA (8/.25/3/3), could you give it a yes vote?

If you could, can you explain why?
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Old 06-10-2015 | 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Professor
But sure, it will change how about 180 people bid each month system wide.
That's highly disengenuous. It will affect every single FO below those who take the top quarter of LCA trips.
Those below that cutoff would not be assured they could hold what they bid based on their seniority.

You never answered my question. Are you on FPL today?
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Old 06-10-2015 | 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Professor
Denny, Tune,

The impact will be the 180, as I mentioned...direct impact. But also there is an expected 1-2% change in the number of line holders in each category affected.

Clearly this is going to see a bigger impact in the new hire aircraft categories as well.

Does that answer the question?
Ok Professor, I'm not one to say this but.........direct impact? Really!?! You are only going to give credit for the first level? That's a fail and comes across to me as a sales pitch. It "directly" affects a tremendous amount more than 180 people.

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