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06-15-2015, 08:09 AM
#8951
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
As I posted 10% is a huge exaggeration of pilots doing OE. We only carry 10% LCA's. They have to do line checks, theatre quals, special flts as well as OE. They are also given trips with no LCA duties.
06-15-2015, 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Flamer
Back this savings out of the 8%. Back out some SL savings. The 6% is already gone due to PS. It doesn't take long to realize this isn't a cost neutral contract. It actually saves the Co money as bloomberg already calculated. This doesn't even take into account the realized revenues to to top a and bottom end scope capitulation.
The pot is smaller. And with what is left over we are just moving it around the wallets of our members. What a union we have.
The pot is smaller. And with what is left over we are just moving it around the wallets of our members. What a union we have.
06-15-2015, 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by RetiredFTS
For those leaning or decided "yes" because of the "what is our plan B?" scare tactic, ask yourself what is the company's plan B? They pushed for this early deal for a reason. When we vote this down, the company will still want a done deal. And done soon. Let us do what the NC and MEC failed to do and get back to the negotiating table. Did we leave money on the table? IDK, but we don't want to take a bite of this shiite sandwich.
Hold the Line.
Hold the Line.
We left about $6 Billion on the table!
That's the amount WE are going to fund, to return equity to the shareholders!
Just like we left several Billion on the table in 2012.
But this time around we are actually putting MORE of our money onto the table and walking away from it! After the company gets done cutting all the 'non-contract' people's profit sharing, as well as ours, we have given back far more money than we will get!
06-15-2015, 08:11 AM
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The "Delta Pilots Against Contract 2015" Facebook page went from 717 members yesterday at this time to 1223 right now, almost doubling in 24 hours. A lot of pilots out there are realizing the union is lying to them and want this abomination stopped.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1512224622370653/
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1512224622370653/
06-15-2015, 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Spudhauler
Sailing, if this is true, why did the company push for it in the TA? When you look at the individual concessions in this thing they may not look that bad, but when you look at them in aggregate, it is a huge hit on our QOL. That is enough to make this an easy no, but when you take a glance at the sick leave portion, it's enough to make you puke. This is a giant overreach by the company, which is expected, but the blatant sell out by the very people who are supposed to represent our interests is disgusting.
Look at how over the past 20 years we gave away 50% of our domestic flying to DCC RJ's, in small bites and pretty soon there were 600 RJ's. Why do you think the company wants to switch to Block Hours for JV Scope? Same concept, only with our Big Iron.
Richard is playing chess, Sailing is playing checkers.
06-15-2015, 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by EdGrimley
The "Delta Pilots Against Contract 2015" Facebook page went from 717 members yesterday at this time to 1223 right now, almost doubling in 24 hours. A lot of pilots out there are realizing the union is lying to them and want this abomination stopped.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1512224622370653/
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1512224622370653/
06-15-2015, 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Wonder what their "perspectives" will be if they ever find out the TA sells away our jobs to JV partners, screws ALL of our FO's, and starts a new B scale.
Carl
Carl
06-15-2015, 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by mark350
That's what burns me up. Before the TA was released, I was like a little kid at Christmas thinking I was going to open up a great present. Record profits, the company wants an early contract, Richard wants it signed before he leaves, etc. led me to believe we were really going to get back a lot of quality of life items we had lost in POS 96 and bankruptcy. Then I open up the present and see this... turd. Cost neutral and concessions? The company actually might be saving money when all the profit sharing for other employees is factored in? That's the best we can do? 6 months early? As a 26 year faithful alpa supporter and even apologist, I have finally thrown in the towel. Where's my DPA card? The NC and MEC 'yes' men were the last straw.
If we vote YES to this turd, we have nobody to blame but ourselves.
06-15-2015, 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I called the 330 office to get the numbers. There are 37 total check airman in the category and the training department throughput is 24 pilots a month. Pilots need 4 or 6 legs of IOE to be qualed depending on background. The average leg is 8 hours.
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