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Old 10-09-2015 | 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Klondike Bear
99% of what he writes ****es me off but how about this gem?


"If elected I will support working with the company to protect those of us who are sick, while at the same time addressing sick leave abuse at Delta"

Does this mean he will be going after abusers as a rep? That right there should disqualify him from running. As a rep even if you disagree with someone you are still supposed to protect them. You are not a Squadron Commander anymore Colonel!
I read his letter and he is clear. He wants to protect those of us who, when sick, properly use sick leave. If you abuse sick leave ( lie, commit fraud, etc. ) it's time to change your ways. Who could have a problem with that?
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Old 10-09-2015 | 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Barca
I read his letter and he is clear. He wants to protect those of us who, when sick, properly use sick leave. If you abuse sick leave ( lie, commit fraud, etc. ) it's time to change your ways. Who could have a problem with that?
I am totally against sick leave abuse, but that should be up to the Chief Pilots to crack down on. I do not want a union rep cracking down and getting anyone fired. They should be like lawyers, defend pilots even when they don't like what they did.

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Old 10-09-2015 | 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Barca
I read his letter and he is clear. He wants to protect those of us who, when sick, properly use sick leave. If you abuse sick leave ( lie, commit fraud, etc. ) it's time to change your ways. Who could have a problem with that?
I do. My ALPA rep is supposed to be my advocate, his or her personal opinion of my actions are not relevant. If he or she thinks I am a sick leave abuser or believes I am not entitled to full rights regarding the PWA then they are unable to preform the duty of union representative. Anything less than the attitude and demeanor of a defense is unacceptable.

The 2%ers are the holders of the line whether you like it or not. There will be plenty of attack from management, the union is the defense. If this doesn't apply to the 2% then will it apply to you in an unforeseen situation? Why do you pay dues? If you want out of the union just remove yourself from dues check off and let your good standing expire. Then trade in the uniform for a suit.

I pay more in union dues than any teamster truck driver or UAW factory worker, I better get at least the same level of advocacy if not the proportional amount more. This is why people say ALPA is not a union.
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Old 10-09-2015 | 12:23 PM
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Hey Joe, I heard you shot your woman down...

Guess what? It's not all about the sick leave.

Some of us just want to be repaid for what we invested.
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Old 10-09-2015 | 01:48 PM
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He doesn't grasp the concept of DFR.

He thinks he's still in the Air Force.
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Old 10-09-2015 | 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Klondike Bear
I am totally against sick leave abuse, but that should be up to the Chief Pilots to crack down on. I do not want a union rep cracking down and getting anyone fired. They should be like lawyers, defend pilots even when they don't like what they did.
It has always been the CP's responsibiity to crack down on sick leave abusers. The abuser would be getting himself fired.

A lawyer who aids a client in committing perjury runs the risk of being disbarred or even worse. The Rep is there to protect the member, but if he knew the member was lying about the use of sick leave he is under no obligation to aid in the fraud.
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Old 10-09-2015 | 02:51 PM
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[QUOTE=notEnuf;1988842]I do. My ALPA rep is supposed to be my advocate, his or her personal opinion of my actions are not relevant. If he or she thinks I am a sick leave abuser or believes I am not entitled to full rights regarding the PWA then they are unable to preform the duty of union representative. Anything less than the attitude and demeanor of a defense is unacceptable.


Of course he is your advocate when it comes to the PWA. And we are not talking about opinions. If you abuse sick leave and he KNOWS it, you are outside the protections afforded by the PWA and he is under no obligation to defend your abuse.
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Old 10-09-2015 | 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf

The 2%ers are the holders of the line whether you like it or not.
Serious question, not trying to be flippant. Who are the "2%ers?"
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Old 10-09-2015 | 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Barca
It has always been the CP's responsibiity to crack down on sick leave abusers. The abuser would be getting himself fired.

A lawyer who aids a client in committing perjury runs the risk of being disbarred or even worse. The Rep is there to protect the member, but if he knew the member was lying about the use of sick leave he is under no obligation to aid in the fraud.
Agreed. If the pilot confesses fraud OK.

By the same token, defense attorneys represent the guilty all the time and do so without compromising themselves. How he "knew" is pure speculation and completely unprofessional. A defense attorney never asks the question, Are you guilty? It doesn't matter he is obligated to defend his client. The DFR reference means: duty of fair representation regardless of bias and without conflict of interest.

DPA has been screaming this for years and whether you support them or not they are right. ALPA has an obligation to represent the pilots employing them (by payment of dues) and no other. Before you slap a disparaging DPA label on me, I am holding my expired DPA card for the one last chance to get it right.
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Old 10-09-2015 | 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by duece12345
I guess I should rephrase... I have worked for some OUTSTANDING commanders (who are here at mother D). The good commanders/leaders earn respect and back their subordinates. They don't have to remind everyone how important they were/are.
Oh, I agree. Same here!
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