Do not vote Joe Thomas for C44
10-09-2015, 11:30 AM
#21
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Originally Posted by Barca
I read his letter and he is clear. He wants to protect those of us who, when sick, properly use sick leave. If you abuse sick leave ( lie, commit fraud, etc. ) it's time to change your ways. Who could have a problem with that?
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10-09-2015, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Barca
I read his letter and he is clear. He wants to protect those of us who, when sick, properly use sick leave. If you abuse sick leave ( lie, commit fraud, etc. ) it's time to change your ways. Who could have a problem with that?
The 2%ers are the holders of the line whether you like it or not. There will be plenty of attack from management, the union is the defense. If this doesn't apply to the 2% then will it apply to you in an unforeseen situation? Why do you pay dues? If you want out of the union just remove yourself from dues check off and let your good standing expire. Then trade in the uniform for a suit.
I pay more in union dues than any teamster truck driver or UAW factory worker, I better get at least the same level of advocacy if not the proportional amount more. This is why people say ALPA is not a union.
10-09-2015, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Klondike Bear
I am totally against sick leave abuse, but that should be up to the Chief Pilots to crack down on. I do not want a union rep cracking down and getting anyone fired. They should be like lawyers, defend pilots even when they don't like what they did.
A lawyer who aids a client in committing perjury runs the risk of being disbarred or even worse. The Rep is there to protect the member, but if he knew the member was lying about the use of sick leave he is under no obligation to aid in the fraud.
10-09-2015, 02:51 PM
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[QUOTE=notEnuf;1988842]I do. My ALPA rep is supposed to be my advocate, his or her personal opinion of my actions are not relevant. If he or she thinks I am a sick leave abuser or believes I am not entitled to full rights regarding the PWA then they are unable to preform the duty of union representative. Anything less than the attitude and demeanor of a defense is unacceptable.
Of course he is your advocate when it comes to the PWA. And we are not talking about opinions. If you abuse sick leave and he KNOWS it, you are outside the protections afforded by the PWA and he is under no obligation to defend your abuse.
Of course he is your advocate when it comes to the PWA. And we are not talking about opinions. If you abuse sick leave and he KNOWS it, you are outside the protections afforded by the PWA and he is under no obligation to defend your abuse.
10-09-2015, 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Barca
It has always been the CP's responsibiity to crack down on sick leave abusers. The abuser would be getting himself fired.
A lawyer who aids a client in committing perjury runs the risk of being disbarred or even worse. The Rep is there to protect the member, but if he knew the member was lying about the use of sick leave he is under no obligation to aid in the fraud.
A lawyer who aids a client in committing perjury runs the risk of being disbarred or even worse. The Rep is there to protect the member, but if he knew the member was lying about the use of sick leave he is under no obligation to aid in the fraud.
By the same token, defense attorneys represent the guilty all the time and do so without compromising themselves. How he "knew" is pure speculation and completely unprofessional. A defense attorney never asks the question, Are you guilty? It doesn't matter he is obligated to defend his client. The DFR reference means: duty of fair representation regardless of bias and without conflict of interest.
DPA has been screaming this for years and whether you support them or not they are right. ALPA has an obligation to represent the pilots employing them (by payment of dues) and no other. Before you slap a disparaging DPA label on me, I am holding my expired DPA card for the one last chance to get it right.
10-09-2015, 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by duece12345
I guess I should rephrase... I have worked for some OUTSTANDING commanders (who are here at mother D). The good commanders/leaders earn respect and back their subordinates. They don't have to remind everyone how important they were/are.
10-09-2015, 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by thinkstraight
No one has ever shown me one case of sick leave abuse, the company, ALPA and Joe all claim that there is abuse going on. Since Joe is so great at numbers please break down all the sick leave and give me the exact number of abuse.
My bet it's less than 2% of all sick leave. I certainly do not want a flight attendant style sick leave policy based on that.
My bet it's less than 2% of all sick leave. I certainly do not want a flight attendant style sick leave policy based on that.
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