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thefoxsays 12-18-2015 11:32 PM


Originally Posted by RockyBoy (Post 2030535)
Could we have E-175's in the same fleet as the 190's? If so, I see the DCI E-175's being transitioned to mainline over the next 5 years.

Same type IIRC

buckleyboy 12-19-2015 01:59 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 2030518)
Correct! The TA would have allowed for more large RJs with the introduction of the 190s, but they are capped at the limit associated with the 717 since that did not pass.

You folks who are smarter than me on scope (i.e., EVERYBODY), riddle me this: JG said during the last base visit in ATL that the scope language had to change in order to get the E190s on property. But scope has not changed...so what gives?
Methinks me knows the answer.

Army80 12-19-2015 02:20 AM


Originally Posted by Kjazz130 (Post 2030199)
Just wanted to pose a question to see what some of the guys who have been in the industry a while think. How will the staffing of the E-190 work? Particularly the CA's. With pay rates so low will guys volunteer for the upgrade? Will folks be forced to move?


My $ .02

The 190 rates will be pretty close to the 717 rates.

The base and trips will determine how junior/senior it goes.

3 green 12-19-2015 02:23 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 2030524)
The 88 is probably the best airplane in the fleet for a lot of reasons. Especially in atlanta

Except the fact that the 14 hour rule our union gave away to cover open time has killed whiteslips and greenslips. And to think those guys agreed to that and got nothing. Idiots.

forgot to bid 12-19-2015 03:18 AM


Originally Posted by buckleyboy (Post 2030757)
You folks who are smarter than me on scope (i.e., EVERYBODY), riddle me this: JG said during the last base visit in ATL that the scope language had to change in order to get the E190s on property. But scope has not changed...so what gives?
Methinks me knows the answer.


No. The scope language requires it to be at mainline.

Basically all flying must be done by Delta pilots... with exceptions. X number of 50-76 seaters can be outsourced. X amount of flying can be done by other carriers via codeshares and JVs.

Now if they meant in order for the company to order the E190 then we had to change our scope clause to allow more outsourced flying then that's just a flat out negotiation tactic and that was blown out of the water earlier in the week.

forgot to bid 12-19-2015 03:19 AM


Originally Posted by Army80 (Post 2030760)
The base and trips will determine how junior/senior it goes.

MCO and DFW bases would be so senior nobody on the seniority list could hold it.

badflaps 12-19-2015 06:07 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 2030766)
MCO and DFW bases would be so senior nobody on the seniority list could hold it.

I'm pretty sure I would be the junior reserve...03/22/65.

Phuz 12-19-2015 06:54 AM


Originally Posted by thefoxsays (Post 2030745)
It's pretty insulting slamming the RJ/commuter pilots.

I'm a Delta pilot. I came from the regionals/commuters.

The regionals call DAL pilots "Double Breasted Douche Bags." The earlier posts calling pilots "regional pukes" is exactly why.

Regional pukes will fly circles around a military pilot on day one of line ops. BUT, take that regional guy, and throw him into a military mission, and they'll suck too.

It would do Delta pilots well to stop acting like they are better than one kind of pilot or the other. We are either good pilots or bad pilots... No matter what the background.

It's a lot easier to treat people nicely than to be a DB.

A lot of this sentiment on this thread in particular seems manufactured by a select few individuals who are for their own reasons trying to feel better about themselves. I am a civilian former turboprop and RJ driver who has been treated with nothing but respect by everyone I have encountered so far at DAL. If you bring good piloting and a respectful attitude to the cockpit you will be respected here. There is no mainline conspiracy by the white male military fighter pilot mafia to marginalize the regional pilots - much of that discussion here seems to have resulted from people who took comments out of context and/or failed to read and comprehend the entire thread.

notEnuf 12-19-2015 07:41 AM

The military/civilian, North/South, Junior/Senior, disputes are entirely an internet induced "problem." That is to say there is no "problem." As with any group of 12,000+ people there are differences and opinions. The politics, religion and sex (taboo topics of polite conversation) have been some of the most interesting and entertaining debates I have had, and after every one of them we all went to work and got the job done. The respect and professionalism of this group of coworkers is tremendous. I enjoy our diversity and think it makes the group stronger.

Trying to work the word tremendous into my vocabulary. Trump is entertaining also.

Oops, what did I start now?

Laserowner 12-19-2015 08:00 AM


Originally Posted by thefoxsays (Post 2030745)
It's pretty insulting slamming the RJ/commuter pilots.

I'm a Delta pilot. I came from the regionals/commuters.

The regionals call DAL pilots "Double Breasted Douche Bags." The earlier posts calling pilots "regional pukes" is exactly why.

Regional pukes will fly circles around a military pilot on day one of line ops. BUT, take that regional guy, and throw him into a military mission, and they'll suck too.

It would do Delta pilots well to stop acting like they are better than one kind of pilot or the other. We are either good pilots or bad pilots... No matter what the background.

It's a lot easier to treat people nicely than to be a DB.

You do realize that most of the RJ-insulting posts on this thread were made by other RJ pilots, who were (I believe) attempting to be sarcastic, don't you? BTW, I always tip my (mandatory) hat to RJ pilots when I see them, and I call the four-stripers "Captain". :)


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