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08-30-2016 | 08:59 AM
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Here are real numbers I posted earlier on top of scale jobs at Delta.
Between the 350 and 777 by 2020 we will have well over 1300 pilots staffing those two airframes. Hardly a few jobs. The 787 is the front runner to replace the 58 767ER's. Staffing will be lighter on those airframes with mostly 3 man verses 4 but still another potential 1200 to 1400 jobs.
Edit: Based on current 777 staffing my numbers are light. Probably over 1500 pilots will be required for the 777/350.
Between the 350 and 777 by 2020 we will have well over 1300 pilots staffing those two airframes. Hardly a few jobs. The 787 is the front runner to replace the 58 767ER's. Staffing will be lighter on those airframes with mostly 3 man verses 4 but still another potential 1200 to 1400 jobs.
Edit: Based on current 777 staffing my numbers are light. Probably over 1500 pilots will be required for the 777/350.
And again, I'm only comparing top of the scale, which for us is 777/747, and 747 will be gone before the end of whatever contract we get, even if we get it by then.
My point is that we can't look at the top paying planes as a baseline. For most pilots that spot on the pay table doesn't mean the same thing it does at AA/UA because they have more pilots flying it for more years. That's all.
08-30-2016 | 09:32 AM
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Our top pay band is 767-400 and bigger. We also got the 787 banded with the top. 767-300 and 757-300 are together and just a couple bucks more than the Bus and Guppy.
According to what I've been able to find. With our banding at DAL you'd have
18- 777
21- 767-400
9- 747
UAL top band
21 - 747
16 - 767-400
74 - 777
30 - 787
UAL - 141 a/c top scale under our banding
DAL - 48
It doesn't seem to me that it's banding. It's seems more to do with fleet mix and type of flying.
According to what I've been able to find. With our banding at DAL you'd have
18- 777
21- 767-400
9- 747
UAL top band
21 - 747
16 - 767-400
74 - 777
30 - 787
UAL - 141 a/c top scale under our banding
DAL - 48
It doesn't seem to me that it's banding. It's seems more to do with fleet mix and type of flying.
08-30-2016 | 09:40 AM
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08-30-2016 | 10:00 AM
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But at least we have 18-777s. wooo hoooo
The biggest fleet at DAL for the longest time was the 767-300/757. Right after the merger it made up 35% of our metal. I stopped looking after awhile when told that because of productivity the 777 had to be paid the most. I think the interesting number would be to take a look at similar career paths at DAL/UAL and see what the career earnings would be. I would wager that even with a 5% lower pay scale on equivalent metal your career earnings would blow us away.
08-30-2016 | 10:08 AM
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What did the 757 pay at NWA before the merger? What did it pay after?
08-30-2016 | 10:09 AM
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08-30-2016 | 10:10 AM
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AirTran pilots will get full retro as well. When SW purchased AT they negotiated a new contract with AT pilots which was approved by them. So while they were on the AT side of the partition they were under a current contract. On the SW side we were in negotiations on an expired contract. Once an AT pilot transitioned over to the SW side they were now working under an expired contract. They will receive all retro from the time they transitioned over to SW.
Nice spin. Prepare for the lawsuit.
08-30-2016 | 10:24 AM
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Thanks. Now I am even more depressed.
But at least we have 18-777s. wooo hoooo
The biggest fleet at DAL for the longest time was the 767-300/757. Right after the merger it made up 35% of our metal. I stopped looking after awhile when told that because of productivity the 777 had to be paid the most. I think the interesting number would be to take a look at similar career paths at DAL/UAL and see what the career earnings would be. I would wager that even with a 5% lower pay scale on equivalent metal your career earnings would blow us away.
But at least we have 18-777s. wooo hoooo
The biggest fleet at DAL for the longest time was the 767-300/757. Right after the merger it made up 35% of our metal. I stopped looking after awhile when told that because of productivity the 777 had to be paid the most. I think the interesting number would be to take a look at similar career paths at DAL/UAL and see what the career earnings would be. I would wager that even with a 5% lower pay scale on equivalent metal your career earnings would blow us away.
I guess I didn't realize how out of whack your banding was compared to ours until you brought that up and I looked. Our 767-400 CAs make $50/hr more currently? That's insane!
But we all know this crazy industry is cyclical and a crapshoot. DAL has been on top of earnings for many of the years (21) I've been at UAL. I will never forget the "Delta Dot" on the 777 setting the standard and setting us up for our contract 2000.
08-30-2016 | 02:28 PM
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In the 2001 contract our table position was for the standard pay differentials on the 767ER, 767-300, 767-200 and 757. There were 4 pay rates. Management in the final stages offered to bring all aircraft up to the 7ER rate. Hard to turn down free money we did not have to negotiate to get but left everyone wondering why. The 7ER received the same raise as other non 3B6 aircraft.
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