Scope and Cost Neutral
09-07-2016 | 05:18 AM
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C2012 scope provisions turned out positively for us because of a confluence of events. The Cogan 1500 hr rule and the availability of 717s for almost free. One of those factors is being lobbied hard in Congress to be removed. How long do you think that 1500 hr rule will remain? Never underestimate the power of big money influencing government.
So when the Regionals start hiring 900, 750, even 250 hr guys again, those 76 seaters become more viable. Why would we allow more? Furthermore, why is it not the stated goal of our UNION that every Delta passenger be flown by Delta pilots? Isn't that the purpose of a UNION?
So when the Regionals start hiring 900, 750, even 250 hr guys again, those 76 seaters become more viable. Why would we allow more? Furthermore, why is it not the stated goal of our UNION that every Delta passenger be flown by Delta pilots? Isn't that the purpose of a UNION?
09-07-2016 | 05:43 AM
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Since hiring started in 2014, DAL has hired ~2,800 pilots and are projected to hire another 400 by years end (~1,250 total for 2016). By the end of the year, 2014-2016 hires will make up 24% of the list. I just got done reading this and am interested in UALs numbers.
09-07-2016 | 06:11 AM
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80 what are your cost estimates for the upcoming scope concessions I listed?
09-07-2016 | 06:28 AM
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C2012 scope provisions turned out positively for us because of a confluence of events. The Cogan 1500 hr rule and the availability of 717s for almost free. One of those factors is being lobbied hard in Congress to be removed. How long do you think that 1500 hr rule will remain? Never underestimate the power of big money influencing government.
So when the Regionals start hiring 900, 750, even 250 hr guys again, those 76 seaters become more viable. Why would we allow more? Furthermore, why is it not the stated goal of our UNION that every Delta passenger be flown by Delta pilots? Isn't that the purpose of a UNION?
So when the Regionals start hiring 900, 750, even 250 hr guys again, those 76 seaters become more viable. Why would we allow more? Furthermore, why is it not the stated goal of our UNION that every Delta passenger be flown by Delta pilots? Isn't that the purpose of a UNION?
09-07-2016 | 06:52 AM
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Jerry's numbers are exaggerated, maybe for effect, but they're still wrong. He will never prove his numbers or show his math when called out on it, and loses the message with constant unsubstantiated rumors. Frankly, it has gotten old. I have NEVER been a fan of Doesn't Provide Anything for its membership, but Jerry just helps solidify the decision.
09-07-2016 | 07:18 AM
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Please explain to us mathematically how his numbers are way off. Southwest doesn't allow any 50-76 seat flying to be outsourced and has trip touching. Those alone would push the numbers to 5000-6000 more pilots. Remember, the 4000+ pilots at Delta Connection are operating under more efficient staffing requirements at Delta.
How exactly are is numbers wrong? Over 4000 pilots are outsourced on 50-76 seat jets. Southwest doesn't allow this. Explain how he is wrong, please. Making up names for DPA only furthers the idea you are wrong.
How exactly are is numbers wrong? Over 4000 pilots are outsourced on 50-76 seat jets. Southwest doesn't allow this. Explain how he is wrong, please. Making up names for DPA only furthers the idea you are wrong.
You and Gerry's fuzzy math aside, let's do some real math since this is what you two are cheering for: The DPA has a bit over 3100 ACTIVE cards. By their count, they need 6700 ACTIVE (not members like their strangely similar to RH and CC's biased graphs like to emphasize) cards to get a vote. The real number is rapidly approaching and will exceed 7000 ACTIVE cards needed as hiring continues. 6 years in and the active card count dwindles further away from a vote...
09-07-2016 | 07:21 AM
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Your "upcoming" scope concessions are just throwing crap against the wall and hoping something sticks. It's not even worth addressing since you don't deal in reality.
09-07-2016 | 07:29 AM
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Please explain to us mathematically how his numbers are way off. Southwest doesn't allow any 50-76 seat flying to be outsourced and has trip touching. Those alone would push the numbers to 5000-6000 more pilots. Remember, the 4000+ pilots at Delta Connection are operating under more efficient staffing requirements at Delta.
How exactly are is numbers wrong? Over 4000 pilots are outsourced on 50-76 seat jets. Southwest doesn't allow this. Explain how he is wrong, please. Making up names for DPA only furthers the idea you are wrong.
How exactly are is numbers wrong? Over 4000 pilots are outsourced on 50-76 seat jets. Southwest doesn't allow this. Explain how he is wrong, please. Making up names for DPA only furthers the idea you are wrong.
09-07-2016 | 07:32 AM
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Hoping I'm wrong.
BTW I sleep so much better at night now that I am once again "furlough protected."
09-07-2016 | 07:32 AM
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I didn't ask for the merits of DPA. I asked you to show us how he is mathematically wrong.
It's very telling that you continually ignore to answer that and then just bash DPA. I didn't even care to bring up DPA until you repeatedly turn it into a DPA bashfest instead of answering a legitimate claim.
It's very telling that you continually ignore to answer that and then just bash DPA. I didn't even care to bring up DPA until you repeatedly turn it into a DPA bashfest instead of answering a legitimate claim.
Explain to us mathematically how his numbers are way off. Southwest doesn't allow any 50-76 seat flying to be outsourced and has trip touching.
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