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When will Endeavor wind down the operation?

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Old 11-25-2014, 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Pinchanickled View Post
No, no, no, no. You guys are delirious and naive. There isn't a bright future here. If they tell the employees that at the end of September the operation will be terminated, people will quit now. So they give everyone a promise of money, that will all get spent before it arrives, and when the flight schedule is announced for October of 2015, it will reveal that the airline in operation of the CRJ-900's will be divided among all the other DCI Carriers.

Delta is removing the good pilots from the list with the SSP program, the EtD program is, was and always be a mirage in the desert. When the airline gets widdled down to the remaining lifers, then it's time to call it quits.

Keep your eye on Deltanet and see who will be operating the 900's in October. That gets announced about 6 months prior, so around April of 2015, we will know more specifically when the end actually is.

Then everyone living in a fantasy world that success is on the horizon for Endeavor, will be introduced to reality in a cold hard way.

Why would Delta want senior regional flunkee's as pilots when they could easily switch the 900's over to another regional with more junior pilots that have a cheaper cost? That's the same blue print for ComAir, and the same CEO. Endeavor is a staffing company. That's all. Each regional is a staffing company. That's the way it works. Just like large construction companies put each subcontractor against each other without any loyalty. The airline is run by the owners, the share holders. They have invested their money to make more money. They put pressure on the board of directors, who work for the shareholders. They want money, and could careless about your career progression.

Sorry to be so blunt, but reality hits you hard.
How do you know this is reality? Can you ee into the future? Just because this is what you think and hope happens doesnt mean it will. You were wrong when you joined 9e you just might be wrong again. The only thing we know is time will tell what the plan for us is.
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Old 11-25-2014, 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah View Post
It's CapEx, so it would be excluded in the rate reset. That's why it is being done as a bonus instead of JCBA improvements.
thats not what the contract says...... it is specifically stated as total cost per block hour, and that bonus is included.
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Old 11-25-2014, 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by tom14cat14 View Post
How do you know this is reality? Can you ee into the future? Just because this is what you think and hope happens doesnt mean it will. You were wrong when you joined 9e you just might be wrong again. The only thing we know is time will tell what the plan for us is.
It is only my humble opinion.
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Old 11-25-2014, 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Pinchanickled View Post
No, no, no, no. You guys are delirious and naive. There isn't a bright future here. If they tell the employees that at the end of September the operation will be terminated, people will quit now. So they give everyone a promise of money, that will all get spent before it arrives, and when the flight schedule is announced for October of 2015, it will reveal that the airline in operation of the CRJ-900's will be divided among all the other DCI Carriers.

Delta is removing the good pilots from the list with the SSP program, the EtD program is, was and always be a mirage in the desert. When the airline gets widdled down to the remaining lifers, then it's time to call it quits.

Keep your eye on Deltanet and see who will be operating the 900's in October. That gets announced about 6 months prior, so around April of 2015, we will know more specifically when the end actually is.

Then everyone living in a fantasy world that success is on the horizon for Endeavor, will be introduced to reality in a cold hard way.

Why would Delta want senior regional flunkee's as pilots when they could easily switch the 900's over to another regional with more junior pilots that have a cheaper cost? That's the same blue print for ComAir, and the same CEO. Endeavor is a staffing company. That's all. Each regional is a staffing company. That's the way it works. Just like large construction companies put each subcontractor against each other without any loyalty. The airline is run by the owners, the share holders. They have invested their money to make more money. They put pressure on the board of directors, who work for the shareholders. They want money, and could careless about your career progression.

Sorry to be so blunt, but reality hits you hard.
The notion that one day Endeavor will be flying 100 jets and the next day that flying will be spread out among 4 other carriers without any one knowing of the transfer of said flying is ridiculous. So ridiculous that everything you have written on this topic has to be written off as lunacy.

I'm not saying 9E is currently not in shutdown mode but if a shutdown does take place it will be announced and another round of bonuses offered, you can't hide a shutdown until 2 weeks before the actual date. The transfer of that much flying doesn't happen with a snap of the fingers.
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Old 11-25-2014, 04:19 PM
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You OBVIOUSLY did not read my post. CLEARLY, I said "6 months prior."

Go back and read it again. And by the way, it's not 100 jets, it's 81. That's a big difference.

Have you ever heard of an Airline named ComAir? And where did Easterns jets go? What about PanAm's jets? Where is Freedom Airlines nowadays? What about Trump Air? Braniff?

To think that airlines live forever is absolute insanity. Your post is ludicrous. 81 jets can be distributed to 3-4 regionals in a matter of months.

Read one airline history book, then come back to this forum.
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Old 11-25-2014, 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Pinchanickled View Post
You OBVIOUSLY did not read my post. CLEARLY, I said "6 months prior."

Go back and read it again. And by the way, it's not 100 jets, it's 81. That's a big difference.

Have you ever heard of an Airline named ComAir? And where did Easterns jets go? What about PanAm's jets? Where is Freedom Airlines nowadays? What about Trump Air? Braniff?

To think that airlines live forever is absolute insanity. Your post is ludicrous. 81 jets can be distributed to 3-4 regionals in a matter of months.

Read one airline history book, then come back to this forum.
So you've reading Flying The Line I&II and now you are an expert in airline history? How is the disappearance of PanAm in any shape or form on any level related to Endeavor? Yes, both companies flew airplanes, beyond that you are just grasping at straw trying to compare the two.

You keep implying these bonus payouts are just being disrupted to keep people around until a shutdown. Since you are such an expert on Airline History, did Delta offer Comair pilots a bonus before shutting them down or did they announce a shut down and then offer a severance package?
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Old 11-25-2014, 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Pinchanickled View Post
You OBVIOUSLY did not read my post. CLEARLY, I said "6 months prior."

Go back and read it again. And by the way, it's not 100 jets, it's 81. That's a big difference.

Have you ever heard of an Airline named ComAir? And where did Easterns jets go? What about PanAm's jets? Where is Freedom Airlines nowadays? What about Trump Air? Braniff?

To think that airlines live forever is absolute insanity. Your post is ludicrous. 81 jets can be distributed to 3-4 regionals in a matter of months.

Read one airline history book, then come back to this forum.
The difference between the Comair shut down and say Evdeavor start a wind down next year is, the hiring that goes on. In 2012 not many places were hiring. How many places will be hiring next year. I'm not saying everyone at Endeavor will move up, but it looks better than 2012. If I recall, Delta never offered a bonus to Comair after announcing the parking most of their fleet. They only offered the bonus with the wind down annoucment.
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Old 11-26-2014, 05:10 AM
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The landscape from 2 years ago with ComAir shutting down compared to today is HUGE. Every major and LCC and regional is hiring. The flood gates have opened up and we are now facing a pilot shortage.

There is simply so many pilots jumping ship, that there won't be anyone left to man the bilge pumps while it's sinking.

Is it really any surprise to you that Ryan Gumm, an EXPERT, on how to shut down a delta regional airline was hand picked to do the job as CEO??? Are you that CLUELESS???

Dude, look around, Endeavor is on life support and the family has been summoned to say their last goodbyes.

Ryan Gumm is the Grim Reaper.
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Old 11-27-2014, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Pinchanickled View Post
The landscape from 2 years ago with ComAir shutting down compared to today is HUGE. Every major and LCC and regional is hiring. The flood gates have opened up and we are now facing a pilot shortage.

There is simply so many pilots jumping ship, that there won't be anyone left to man the bilge pumps while it's sinking.

Is it really any surprise to you that Ryan Gumm, an EXPERT, on how to shut down a delta regional airline was hand picked to do the job as CEO??? Are you that CLUELESS???

Dude, look around, Endeavor is on life support and the family has been summoned to say their last goodbyes.

Ryan Gumm is the Grim Reaper.
Nice words, Pinchanickled, but aren't you a "yes" voter? Don't you advocate that all regional pilots should drag down the industry by accepting concessionary contracts?

Besides yourself, who do you think you are helping?
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Old 11-27-2014, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Pinchanickled View Post

Have you ever heard of an Airline named ComAir?
Please, if you are going to claim to be an expert in that former regional based in CVG and how it compares to Endeavor, for the love if God please stop capitalizing the A!!!!!!! Nicholas Cage thanks you.
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