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Old 11-02-2015 | 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by CFin
If anyone is looking at Endeavor and is concerned about the last few pages of negativity I will tell you attitudes are much different. You are 99.9% more likely to fly with a guy like Gearswinger than fly with a guy like ShyGuy. Most everyone that is still here are excited about the future and are increadibly welcoming to new hires.
I've been on the line for 2 weeks now and I couldn't agree more. Everybody I've encountered has been incredibly helpful and understanding. I'm happy with my decision to fly here.
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Old 11-02-2015 | 07:27 AM
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It should be really interesting around here come next summer.... the end of the Bloch quotas coupled with the last of the captains that have CJO's under the SSP (meaning we will see a larger number of FO's quitting as they will be finally getting to go to Delta) We could easily see a repeat of 2014. How much more "retention bonus" money is daddy willing to throw this way to keep Endeavor staffed?
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Old 11-02-2015 | 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Avroman
It should be really interesting around here come next summer.... the end of the Bloch quotas coupled with the last of the captains that have CJO's under the SSP (meaning we will see a larger number of FO's quitting as they will be finally getting to go to Delta) We could easily see a repeat of 2014. How much more "retention bonus" money is daddy willing to throw this way to keep Endeavor staffed?
The attrition is already planned, what will get interesting is the seniority of upgrades. Many FO's with CJO's won't upgrade, resulting in really junior ca upgrade slots.
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Old 11-02-2015 | 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by higney85
The attrition is already planned, what will get interesting is the seniority of upgrades. Many FO's with CJO's won't upgrade, resulting in really junior ca upgrade slots.
How junior are we talking here?
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Old 11-02-2015 | 02:53 PM
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Anybody considering a job with Endeavor, should seriously research delta’s behavior concerning their wholly owned regional carriers. Delta is no different now than when compared to the Comair days.

All of these happy, starry-eyed Endeavor pilots have ulterior motives when it comes to getting new hires in the door. I can tell it’s NOT because Endeavor is the place to be. They want you so they may be pushed up by your incoming carcass. In my opinion, they are no better than mainline pilots that sold out regional pilots. I guess maybe this eating our own is a pilot thing…. Too bad, I guess.

Also, if you come to Endeavor thinking you will be at delta in a few years… forget that pipe dream. Delta doesn't hold regional pilots in high regard, that's why you will never have an honest flow through. They are not going to open the gates to a bunch of loser pilots. In case you are wondering,,, that last sentence is not an opinion I hold concerning regional pilots. On the contrary, considering the multiple legs, long flight schedules and safety record, regional are some of the best pilots out there… which is another reason why delta's attitude towards us is frustrating.
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Old 11-02-2015 | 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by MD11
Anybody considering a job with Endeavor, should seriously research delta’s behavior concerning their wholly owned regional carriers. Delta is no different now than when compared to the Comair days.

All of these happy, starry-eyed Endeavor pilots have ulterior motives when it comes to getting new hires in the door. I can tell it’s NOT because Endeavor is the place to be. They want you so they may be pushed up by your incoming carcass. In my opinion, they are no better than mainline pilots that sold out regional pilots. I guess maybe this eating our own is a pilot thing…. Too bad, I guess.

Also, if you come to Endeavor thinking you will be at delta in a few years… forget that pipe dream. Delta doesn't hold regional pilots in high regard, that's why you will never have an honest flow through. They are not going to open the gates to a bunch of loser pilots. In case you are wondering,,, that last sentence is not an opinion I hold concerning regional pilots. On the contrary, considering the multiple legs, long flight schedules and safety record, regional are some of the best pilots out there… which is another reason why delta's attitude towards us is frustrating.
I agree completely. This was one of a few reasons why I did not to apply to delta.
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Old 11-02-2015 | 04:16 PM
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And some people need to remove their tin foil hats and accept that this industry is finally moving in a positive direction for regional pilots.

We're seeing pay increases (in various formats across the industry) and soon(ish) it'll be only those companies that can afford to pay that will be able to continue to play.

Last I checked, Delta relied on that consistent lift provided by its regional feed. And in keeping with Delta's desire to control its product Id expect to see more lift shifting to its WO (who by all reports they are very happy with) rather than less.

So, at Endeavor, we have seen an increase in pay, an increase in lift, and an increase in pilot morale all over the last year alone.
Couple that with management seemingly to finally start to understand that whosoever staffs the flying keeps it, and we had a recipe for things only getting better.

Now I understand that not everyone wants to go to Delta for a wide variety of reasons. But, endeavor does currently offer the only sure shot at an opportunity at this time. (Delta may well open the floodgates for off the street but that's just speculation) And while the numbers prove its anything but a sure thing, that's up to the prospective new hire to determine whether they want to chase that route or not.
Pretending that Endeavor is some god awful place that intends nothing but to make sure its pilots never see the cockpit of a mainline aircraft crazy
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Old 11-02-2015 | 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by MD11
Anybody considering a job with Endeavor, should seriously research delta’s behavior concerning their wholly owned regional carriers. Delta is no different now than when compared to the Comair days.

All of these happy, starry-eyed Endeavor pilots have ulterior motives when it comes to getting new hires in the door. I can tell it’s NOT because Endeavor is the place to be. They want you so they may be pushed up by your incoming carcass. In my opinion, they are no better than mainline pilots that sold out regional pilots. I guess maybe this eating our own is a pilot thing…. Too bad, I guess.

Also, if you come to Endeavor thinking you will be at delta in a few years… forget that pipe dream. Delta doesn't hold regional pilots in high regard, that's why you will never have an honest flow through. They are not going to open the gates to a bunch of loser pilots. In case you are wondering,,, that last sentence is not an opinion I hold concerning regional pilots. On the contrary, considering the multiple legs, long flight schedules and safety record, regional are some of the best pilots out there… which is another reason why delta's attitude towards us is frustrating.
That is a pretty bleak and narrow minded assessment in my opinion. This industry is so cyclical and volital that it requires different strategies as it changes. You mentioned Comair and how Delta dealt with them. Is that all you remember about Comair? How about the growth of Comair during the boom of the RJ's?

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Old 11-02-2015 | 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by gojo
That is a pretty bleak and narrow minded assessment in my opinion. This industry is so cyclical and volital that it requires different strategies as it changes. You mentioned Comair and how Delta dealt with them. Is that all you remember about Comair? How about the growth of Comair during the boom of the RJ's?
Or the strike?
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Old 11-02-2015 | 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by MD11
Anybody considering a job with Endeavor, should seriously research delta’s behavior concerning their wholly owned regional carriers. Delta is no different now than when compared to the Comair days.

All of these happy, starry-eyed Endeavor pilots have ulterior motives when it comes to getting new hires in the door. I can tell it’s NOT because Endeavor is the place to be. They want you so they may be pushed up by your incoming carcass. In my opinion, they are no better than mainline pilots that sold out regional pilots. I guess maybe this eating our own is a pilot thing…. Too bad, I guess.

Also, if you come to Endeavor thinking you will be at delta in a few years… forget that pipe dream. Delta doesn't hold regional pilots in high regard, that's why you will never have an honest flow through. They are not going to open the gates to a bunch of loser pilots. In case you are wondering,,, that last sentence is not an opinion I hold concerning regional pilots. On the contrary, considering the multiple legs, long flight schedules and safety record, regional are some of the best pilots out there… which is another reason why delta's attitude towards us is frustrating.
This is a preposterous post. Not one single pre-merger pilot went to work for a regional that was owned by Delta. So your advice is to go work for another regional and cross your fingers that Delta doesn't buy them? God forbid Delta buys them, gives them all 20K a year raise and a guaranteed interview.
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