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04-04-2017 | 08:55 AM

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The $25 is based on 2016 NH pay. Today, a NH makes $63.63 min guarantee for the first year ($33.33 of that is bonuses). Yeah, it drops off second year.

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That's my hope but blending the bonus with pay rates based on guarantee is about $25 more an hour. To be competitive with others who have flow and more upfront money to new hires, the pay needs to be close to what you said. But just blending and nothing else is about $25+/ hr more.

04-04-2017 | 02:24 PM

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I noticed the class had a mix of pilots, fa, and support staff. Just curious how many were pilots yesterday?

22 in the class that just started yesterday.

04-04-2017 | 02:30 PM

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The $25 is based on 2016 NH pay. Today, a NH makes $63.63 min guarantee for the first year ($33.33 of that is bonuses). Yeah, it drops off second year.

The first year bonus would still be paid separately. They are trying to convert retention bonuses, not all bonuses.

04-04-2017 | 02:56 PM

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I got that. But even if you WERE to include the NH bonus with the retention bonus, the majority of the senior folks would still be working for less than they were pre-merger, right?

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The first year bonus would still be paid separately. They are trying to convert retention bonuses, not all bonuses.

04-04-2017 | 03:22 PM

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22 in the class that just started yesterday.

Thanks for the info. How many Viper drivers?

04-04-2017 | 03:22 PM

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I got that. But even if you WERE to include the NH bonus with the retention bonus, the majority of the senior folks would still be working for less than they were pre-merger, right?

Yes especially when you factor in the lost 401K matching. That was a massive hit to the lifers that could have retired years ago that now are looking at 91/135 jobs at age 65...

04-04-2017 | 03:23 PM

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Thanks for the info. How many Viper drivers?

I've heard goal is 45/month

04-04-2017 | 03:50 PM

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I got that. But even if you WERE to include the NH bonus with the retention bonus, the majority of the senior folks would still be working for less than they were pre-merger, right?

Yup and every month we dick around asking more than par for retention bonuses that loss will mount. They are down tens of thousands theyll never get back, i guess the goal now is to see how long we can keep that up for.

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Yes especially when you factor in the lost 401K matching. That was a massive hit to the lifers that could have retired years ago that now are looking at 91/135 jobs at age 65...

Sure would be nice to get them something, even 21 bucks an hour to help that 401k out. It's ok, it's only their retirement. You guys hold out for a 25$ an hour raise or better because no one here wants to admit their pay is more than the rates, and pretend it's a paycut. Maybe you get it. Maybe you get nothing and the retention expires. Maybe that flow is just around the corner with a free ice cream flavor of your choosing with the waffle cone.

04-04-2017 | 07:16 PM

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Stupid question but if the union and company come to some agreement, will it go to vote among the pilot group or will the pay rates be forced down our throats?

04-04-2017 | 07:26 PM

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Stupid question but if the union and company come to some agreement, will it go to vote among the pilot group or will the pay rates be forced down our throats?

Nobody can force anything you either accept or not