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08-05-2017, 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Casualinterest
Dude, hold on.... It's your choice to fly more than 75. Just like it's our choice to spend time with our families, children, spouses, babys, etc. You were hired at 75 hours with the option to work more and you take it, awesome for you! You essentially agreed to pick up extra shifts to earn overtime pay. Sweet!
Basing it off anything other than 75 is saying now you HAVE to work more whether you want to or not or else suffer a pay cut. What happens when the economy turns and there's less open time to pick up? What happens during recurrent months when you barely clear 75. What happens when your wife gets sick and needs you home more? What happens when............? You get the point.
I cannot fathom how you people are suggesting it's ok to accept a scenario where you have to work more than you've agreed to in order to make the same amount of money, and lose money when you can't. If this was any other industry there would be protests in the streets. You agreeing to work more does not debase or devalue those of us who simply work what we've agreed to in our offer letter. And for those of us who do occasionally make less than 83 hours, we'll be taking a pay cut in the largest period of pay growth in pilot history. How does that statement alone not turn your stomach?
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Basing it off anything other than 75 is saying now you HAVE to work more whether you want to or not or else suffer a pay cut. What happens when the economy turns and there's less open time to pick up? What happens during recurrent months when you barely clear 75. What happens when your wife gets sick and needs you home more? What happens when............? You get the point.
I cannot fathom how you people are suggesting it's ok to accept a scenario where you have to work more than you've agreed to in order to make the same amount of money, and lose money when you can't. If this was any other industry there would be protests in the streets. You agreeing to work more does not debase or devalue those of us who simply work what we've agreed to in our offer letter. And for those of us who do occasionally make less than 83 hours, we'll be taking a pay cut in the largest period of pay growth in pilot history. How does that statement alone not turn your stomach?
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This .......100% agree!
08-05-2017, 05:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Casualinterest
Dude, hold on.... It's your choice to fly more than 75. Just like it's our choice to spend time with our families, children, spouses, babys, etc. You were hired at 75 hours with the option to work more and you take it, awesome for you! You essentially agreed to pick up extra shifts to earn overtime pay. Sweet!
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08-05-2017, 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Bartok
Bonus' are not pay, especially ones scheduled to expire.
According to Merriam-Webster, pay is defined as: "something paid for a purpose and especially as a salary or wage"
So if the bonus is not pay, how come the IRS taxes it as pay (salary or wage), how come the union takes dues out of it as pay (salary or wage)?
This April, when you file your taxes, why don't you try telling the IRS the bonus isn't pay, and because it's going to expire, it shouldn't be taxed. Tell us how that works out for you.
Anyone that thinks we should accept anything less than $25.56 per hour across the board (bonus conversion at min guarantee) needs a shrink.
08-05-2017, 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Casualinterest
Dude, hold on.... It's your choice to fly more than 75. Just like it's our choice to spend time with our families, children, spouses, babys, etc. You were hired at 75 hours with the option to work more and you take it, awesome for you! You essentially agreed to pick up extra shifts to earn overtime pay. Sweet!
Basing it off anything other than 75 is saying now you HAVE to work more whether you want to or not or else suffer a pay cut. What happens when the economy turns and there's less open time to pick up? What happens during recurrent months when you barely clear 75. What happens when your wife gets sick and needs you home more? What happens when............? You get the point.
I cannot fathom how you people are suggesting it's ok to accept a scenario where you have to work more than you've agreed to in order to make the same amount of money, and lose money when you can't. If this was any other industry there would be protests in the streets. You agreeing to work more does not debase or devalue those of us who simply work what we've agreed to in our offer letter. And for those of us who do occasionally make less than 83 hours, we'll be taking a pay cut in the largest period of pay growth in pilot history. How does that statement alone not turn your stomach?
Basing it off anything other than 75 is saying now you HAVE to work more whether you want to or not or else suffer a pay cut. What happens when the economy turns and there's less open time to pick up? What happens during recurrent months when you barely clear 75. What happens when your wife gets sick and needs you home more? What happens when............? You get the point.
I cannot fathom how you people are suggesting it's ok to accept a scenario where you have to work more than you've agreed to in order to make the same amount of money, and lose money when you can't. If this was any other industry there would be protests in the streets. You agreeing to work more does not debase or devalue those of us who simply work what we've agreed to in our offer letter. And for those of us who do occasionally make less than 83 hours, we'll be taking a pay cut in the largest period of pay growth in pilot history. How does that statement alone not turn your stomach?
Thank you, you get it! What happens when open time dries up. It can happen fast.
08-05-2017, 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by gojo
I believe most of these deviations are on the 200. So do you really believe that senior 900 drivers that have been doing ATL RNAV departures for years are suddenly screwing up now?
08-05-2017, 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by CMA757
Could people please get a grip about the hat? Lately I've been down right HARASSED for wearing it the few times that I have. I'm not wearing it because TW says to, I'm wearing it because I can wear it and I want to wear it. Could someone please explain what the big deal is?
08-05-2017, 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by 172skychicken
While the 900 is more senior, people with that kind of longevity make up the majority of both lists. I'm not trying to pick on the senior guys, I'm just offering a counterpoint to the people who want to blame the new guys for everything. Who do you think is more likely to have a deviation: A senior guy who is complacent because he has 5000 hours in seat and missed that a heading bug wasn't set correctly, or a new captain who has been fussing over every detail because they are new in seat?
08-05-2017, 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Casualinterest
Dude, hold on.... It's your choice to fly more than 75. Just like it's our choice to spend time with our families, children, spouses, babys, etc. You were hired at 75 hours with the option to work more and you take it, awesome for you! You essentially agreed to pick up extra shifts to earn overtime pay. Sweet!
Basing it off anything other than 75 is saying now you HAVE to work more whether you want to or not or else suffer a pay cut. What happens when the economy turns and there's less open time to pick up? What happens during recurrent months when you barely clear 75. What happens when your wife gets sick and needs you home more? What happens when............? You get the point.
I cannot fathom how you people are suggesting it's ok to accept a scenario where you have to work more than you've agreed to in order to make the same amount of money, and lose money when you can't. If this was any other industry there would be protests in the streets. You agreeing to work more does not debase or devalue those of us who simply work what we've agreed to in our offer letter. And for those of us who do occasionally make less than 83 hours, we'll be taking a pay cut in the largest period of pay growth in pilot history. How does that statement alone not turn your stomach?
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Basing it off anything other than 75 is saying now you HAVE to work more whether you want to or not or else suffer a pay cut. What happens when the economy turns and there's less open time to pick up? What happens during recurrent months when you barely clear 75. What happens when your wife gets sick and needs you home more? What happens when............? You get the point.
I cannot fathom how you people are suggesting it's ok to accept a scenario where you have to work more than you've agreed to in order to make the same amount of money, and lose money when you can't. If this was any other industry there would be protests in the streets. You agreeing to work more does not debase or devalue those of us who simply work what we've agreed to in our offer letter. And for those of us who do occasionally make less than 83 hours, we'll be taking a pay cut in the largest period of pay growth in pilot history. How does that statement alone not turn your stomach?
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08-05-2017, 06:03 AM
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What does it mean when they say they aren't withholding pairings for oe? When they say that the threshold won't be limited to less than 23% am I to assume that means they can make the reserve threshold whatever the hell they want for the month? Only curious cause I'm a jr lineholder.
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