Any "Latest & Greatest" about Endeavor?
08-05-2017, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Bartok
It's a bonus, not pay. It's guaranteed for 4 years from when it started.
(Look at your own Websters definition.)
Then it's gone.
Go get a mortgage on a house and try to count it as pay, mortgage companies get it and that's why it won't be counted.
It needs to be turned into an hourly wage increase, then it will be considered pay.
And the 83 hours is fair, it will give more money than the retention bonus to 85% of our pilots.
(Look at your own Websters definition.)
Then it's gone.
Go get a mortgage on a house and try to count it as pay, mortgage companies get it and that's why it won't be counted.
It needs to be turned into an hourly wage increase, then it will be considered pay.
And the 83 hours is fair, it will give more money than the retention bonus to 85% of our pilots.
08-05-2017, 01:44 PM
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Too bad the Union can't negotiate a deal where each pilot currently on the seniority list gets the option to choose between either 1) Salary of $23,000 per year paid out monthly on top of the current wage scale as long as they work at Endeavor, allowing for future negotiated wage increases of course, or 2) an immediate Wage increase based on the 83-hour system.
Those wishing to minimize work don't loose any pay, and those wishing to maximize work get the overall bump. And the Company doesn't have to fund the 75-hour based Wage increase across the board.
Those wishing to minimize work don't loose any pay, and those wishing to maximize work get the overall bump. And the Company doesn't have to fund the 75-hour based Wage increase across the board.
08-05-2017, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by gojo
Oh, sorry I stepped on your tail. And thanks for making my point with your last sentence.
If my last sentence proved your point, are you saying Delta pilots should be responsible for other employee groups' income and benefits?
08-05-2017, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Edgecrusher28
Ha, right... That was my thinking. Casual Friday should be next up to debate.
08-05-2017, 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Bartok
It's a bonus, not pay. It's guaranteed for 4 years from when it started.
(Look at your own Websters definition.)
Then it's gone.
Go get a mortgage on a house and try to count it as pay, mortgage companies get it and that's why it won't be counted.
It needs to be turned into an hourly wage increase, then it will be considered pay.
And the 83 hours is fair, it will give more money than the retention bonus to 85% of our pilots.
(Look at your own Websters definition.)
Then it's gone.
Go get a mortgage on a house and try to count it as pay, mortgage companies get it and that's why it won't be counted.
It needs to be turned into an hourly wage increase, then it will be considered pay.
And the 83 hours is fair, it will give more money than the retention bonus to 85% of our pilots.
08-05-2017, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
Uggh, in the next section 6, should the normal contract raises be based on 83 hours from now on? Why not just work our pilots to death, and base it off 95 hours?
08-05-2017, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
Uggh, in the next section 6, should the normal contract raises be based on 83 hours from now on? Why not just work our pilots to death, and base it off 95 hours?
This is about turning a "bonus" that is set to expire into real wages.
08-05-2017, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Green Needles
How is that fair to the other 15%?
It's not your pay. It's a bonus to keep you here for a short period.
Let's turn it into something that is pay and means something and makes them work much much harder to take away.
It's sucks some for the 15% but it's going to suck a lot worse for everyone when $23000 worth of "bonus" money disappears.
08-05-2017, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by WhiskeyDelta
It's funny you think you stepped on my tail. You're not that important to be able to do that.
If my last sentence proved your point, are you saying Delta pilots should be responsible for other employee groups' income and benefits?
If my last sentence proved your point, are you saying Delta pilots should be responsible for other employee groups' income and benefits?
08-05-2017, 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by gojo
Wow, and full of egotism too. Why don't you please tell me as to why I'm not "that important "?
I can tell you're itching for a fight. Instead, why don't you answer my question? Do you think Delta pilots should, through our participation in a union when others are largely not, be responsible for the economic outcomes of our coworkers?
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