The hourly is better than pre shamruptcy.

Better sick accrual is awesome for most pilots because most do call in sick.

Long call is great.

Don't know anything about Daddy D's willy.........

 

12 year cap and Delta rates! This needs to happen to get rid of this regional cesspool model.

 

Thank God your not negotiating for us. Our Union has done a great job and have made decision that are best for both sides.

 

Let's play that game for a second.

I'm no fan of the so called b-scale (or c-scale if you prefer) than anyone else but let's say by some miracle we were able to get Delta's CRJ 900 rate.

Would it not make sense that we'd all be out of work shortly thereafter?

Like it or not regionals exist to, among other things, have a lower labor cost model. Now I personally believe it's also about retaining a liability shield from accidents/ incidents but at least partially it's for lower wage rates.

If we make the same as Delta pilots, then it's probably not worth keeping us around.

Actually at that point we'd be MORE expensive than Delta pilots because we have a whole headquarters of people that are really duplicates of positions Delta already staffs.

If I could say that we'd get stapled to Delta's list at that point, maybe I'd support trying to get Delta's rates (although I think that's DREAMING) but likely that would mean the end of our airline and we probably wouldn't all get mainline jobs in the fallout so you're arguing to send at least some guys to the street.

Obviously all of that is conjecture because they're never going to agree to raise our rates that much anyway but still.

Also, like it or not, you're at a regional, we don't have the bargaining power of a mainline. Management has to come to the table with Delta Mainline pilots because if they strike, game over. If we strike... well you saw what happened to Comair. (Also, I don't consider that a scare tactic, I consider it an message from Delta to the regional industry, "you're not irreplaceable")

The currently proposed rates lead the regional industry by a significant margin.

Let's take this and try to LOA some improvements if the pilot market remains tight.

 

Yes, Let’s play a game. Do you realize how much money they will save by not paying 15% unmatched in the 401K and profit-sharing @ 18% and green slip pick ups. This is the kind of mentality that created the regional model and that way of thinking keeps it going today

 

Thank goodness you responded so I can tell you to check your spelling and grammar.

 

That’s 33% savings per Pilot for Delta if we go to Delta rates.

 

The regional model was created when airline management went to mainline pilots and said "hey, you don't want to fly these little airplanes right? What if we give you 2% more on your pension and $3 more on your narrowbody pay rate." And those mainline pilots said yes.

You're not wrong to say that even if we got Delta 900 rates we wouldn't still be marginally cheaper due to the work rules you cite but you have to factor into that the salaries of everyone at Tower C.

The regional model will end when Mainline pilots negotiate to end it with tightened scope. Hoping or expecting to see 2x or 3x current pay rates because... "Hey.. That's what Delta's got" isn't realistic.

Turning down a $23 dollar increase because we want a $50+ increase is nuts but you vote the way you like and I'll vote the way I do.

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This TA will pass by at least 75%. We have over 1800 pilots eligible to vote.

Maybe 20 on various forums complain about parts of the agreement.

Most pilots do not frequent forums such as this.

Of course I also was very confident the country would not elect a obviously unfit low IQ thief as a president so I might be wrong.

 

We don’t have 1800 eligible voters. We barely have 1800 pilots on property. Minus the guys under one year, it’s not 1800 voters