Any "Latest & Greatest" about Endeavor?
10-14-2017, 01:23 PM
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Comair? How? They can transfer to another company but there are no pilots to fly them and can't train 2000 pilots overnight. The largest is SKW and they already took on too much flying and have a 6 month backup for the CRJ. Not saying the TA is bad but right now regional pilots are in high demand.
United is about to ramp up hiring again and the regional crunch will only tighten. And what about Delta and the C series? They are saying they will not pay the tariffs and guess who will have to cover that flying if that happens? Or who is already covering that flying? We do half of the heavy lifting why should we not get compensated for our work. Pay and 401k in the regionals are a joke and its time to end the C scale.
United is about to ramp up hiring again and the regional crunch will only tighten. And what about Delta and the C series? They are saying they will not pay the tariffs and guess who will have to cover that flying if that happens? Or who is already covering that flying? We do half of the heavy lifting why should we not get compensated for our work. Pay and 401k in the regionals are a joke and its time to end the C scale.
10-14-2017, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by BeechPilot33
Comair? How? They can transfer to another company but there are no pilots to fly them and can't train 2000 pilots overnight. The largest is SKW and they already took on too much flying and have a 6 month backup for the CRJ. Not saying the TA is bad but right now regional pilots are in high demand.
United is about to ramp up hiring again and the regional crunch will only tighten. And what about Delta and the C series? They are saying they will not pay the tariffs and guess who will have to cover that flying if that happens? Or who is already covering that flying? We do half of the heavy lifting why should we not get compensated for our work. Pay and 401k in the regionals are a joke and its time to end the C scale.
United is about to ramp up hiring again and the regional crunch will only tighten. And what about Delta and the C series? They are saying they will not pay the tariffs and guess who will have to cover that flying if that happens? Or who is already covering that flying? We do half of the heavy lifting why should we not get compensated for our work. Pay and 401k in the regionals are a joke and its time to end the C scale.
If we lost our job tomorrow we
Would looking at who's hiring.
That would be whatever company replaced endeavor
10-14-2017, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by BeechPilot33
Comair? How? They can transfer to another company but there are no pilots to fly them and can't train 2000 pilots overnight. The largest is SKW and they already took on too much flying and have a 6 month backup for the CRJ. Not saying the TA is bad but right now regional pilots are in high demand.
United is about to ramp up hiring again and the regional crunch will only tighten. And what about Delta and the C series? They are saying they will not pay the tariffs and guess who will have to cover that flying if that happens? Or who is already covering that flying? We do half of the heavy lifting why should we not get compensated for our work. Pay and 401k in the regionals are a joke and its time to end the C scale.
United is about to ramp up hiring again and the regional crunch will only tighten. And what about Delta and the C series? They are saying they will not pay the tariffs and guess who will have to cover that flying if that happens? Or who is already covering that flying? We do half of the heavy lifting why should we not get compensated for our work. Pay and 401k in the regionals are a joke and its time to end the C scale.
10-14-2017, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by 2dubs
You might be speaking frankly but your "turkey talk" is completely devoid of fact.
If you believe, we as a pilot group have some bargaining power over Delta please please give us a coherent opinion free fact base argument.
Can Delta "Comair" us? The answer is a BIG YES. There is no historical evidence that points to any argument suggesting otherwise. While Delta can not replace us in 90 days, historically, Delta has shown they are big enough powerful enough and arrogant to replace us. Can you site the number of flights GoJets is canceling or shifting to other airlines that suggest they can not staff their airline? From all indications Gojets, Republic, SkyWest, and Compass are keeping up attrition. Over the next year what percentage of our block hours can Delta shift over to any of the aforementioned (not to mention a shift to mainline) to cause a serious reduction in a pilots pay and quality of life? While our death might not be an ax blow to the neck, it is however more likely to be death by a thousand paper-cuts. One airplane, two airplanes at a time either parked or moved to one of our competitors.
In comparison to our competitors what percentage of this contract is subpar? Very little. We will be the highest paid and taken as a whole will have some of the better work rules in our segment of the industry.
But what about the flow through? Again look at history. American has a flow through not because the Eagle pilots stomped their feet but because APA (from my understanding) won single carrier status and during arbitration agreed to flow the ALPA pilots into American. Delta mainline pilots have shown nothing but contempt for a flow through.
One more thought. What percentage of the money Delta has earmarked for this contract could be shifted over to Republic, Skywest Compass, GoJets or for that matter another Fee for Departure Airline not in the DCA family in order for them to attract qualified pilots to staff and grow their airline?
I do not know for a fact if we turn down this contract Delta would not come back to the table and offer up more. Conversely anyone advocating sticking it to the man to make them come back to the table is living in a fantasy world, not based in fact, historically or otherwise. No one on the forum has spoken to Ed or any one from Delta to have the inside scoop. Like them or hate them closest we have to the inside scoop is our ALPA reps.
If you believe, we as a pilot group have some bargaining power over Delta please please give us a coherent opinion free fact base argument.
Can Delta "Comair" us? The answer is a BIG YES. There is no historical evidence that points to any argument suggesting otherwise. While Delta can not replace us in 90 days, historically, Delta has shown they are big enough powerful enough and arrogant to replace us. Can you site the number of flights GoJets is canceling or shifting to other airlines that suggest they can not staff their airline? From all indications Gojets, Republic, SkyWest, and Compass are keeping up attrition. Over the next year what percentage of our block hours can Delta shift over to any of the aforementioned (not to mention a shift to mainline) to cause a serious reduction in a pilots pay and quality of life? While our death might not be an ax blow to the neck, it is however more likely to be death by a thousand paper-cuts. One airplane, two airplanes at a time either parked or moved to one of our competitors.
In comparison to our competitors what percentage of this contract is subpar? Very little. We will be the highest paid and taken as a whole will have some of the better work rules in our segment of the industry.
But what about the flow through? Again look at history. American has a flow through not because the Eagle pilots stomped their feet but because APA (from my understanding) won single carrier status and during arbitration agreed to flow the ALPA pilots into American. Delta mainline pilots have shown nothing but contempt for a flow through.
One more thought. What percentage of the money Delta has earmarked for this contract could be shifted over to Republic, Skywest Compass, GoJets or for that matter another Fee for Departure Airline not in the DCA family in order for them to attract qualified pilots to staff and grow their airline?
I do not know for a fact if we turn down this contract Delta would not come back to the table and offer up more. Conversely anyone advocating sticking it to the man to make them come back to the table is living in a fantasy world, not based in fact, historically or otherwise. No one on the forum has spoken to Ed or any one from Delta to have the inside scoop. Like them or hate them closest we have to the inside scoop is our ALPA reps.
Also, wouldn't historical evidence be a gigantic moot point given the fact that the current state of affairs in now way whatsoever resembles those in the past in which you are referring to?
10-14-2017, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by BeechPilot33
Comair? How? They can transfer to another company but there are no pilots to fly them and can't train 2000 pilots overnight. The largest is SKW and they already took on too much flying and have a 6 month backup for the CRJ. Not saying the TA is bad but right now regional pilots are in high demand.
United is about to ramp up hiring again and the regional crunch will only tighten. And what about Delta and the C series? They are saying they will not pay the tariffs and guess who will have to cover that flying if that happens? Or who is already covering that flying? We do half of the heavy lifting why should we not get compensated for our work. Pay and 401k in the regionals are a joke and its time to end the C scale.
United is about to ramp up hiring again and the regional crunch will only tighten. And what about Delta and the C series? They are saying they will not pay the tariffs and guess who will have to cover that flying if that happens? Or who is already covering that flying? We do half of the heavy lifting why should we not get compensated for our work. Pay and 401k in the regionals are a joke and its time to end the C scale.
This guy gets it!
I guess the fear tactic of AA & DL using "Comair" is working.
Grow some balls people, different day and age.
They AA, DL, UA created a monster in our industry. 1st age 60 rule extension, a drastic change occurred in 2009 with the Colgan Air / United Express accident, and 2013/2014 with the 1500hr rule implementation.
Some of y'all need to take your thongs off and let your manhood dangle once in a while to remind yourself your not a little ..... boy. Put your big boy pants on, tighten your damn belt buckle & strap on your boots.
10-14-2017, 03:39 PM
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SSP sunset
Does anyone have updated numbers on when the last SSP folks that have CJOs will be gone? Latest company publication has 128 left with CJOs, and 26 left that are eligible to interview. With the window being Aug-Oct. How many per month have been leaving via SSP?
EDIT
I answered my own question...FOU has some of this info in it and more.
180 will have went via the SSP this year, with 128 left to go, 26 left to potentially interview and 6 that already have interviews. Let's say 17 get CJOs, that's 145 left to go, the trend has been 15 a month so 9 months from Aug 1 is May 1. All should be gone by May 1. Does my answer to my own question make sense?
EDIT
I answered my own question...FOU has some of this info in it and more.
180 will have went via the SSP this year, with 128 left to go, 26 left to potentially interview and 6 that already have interviews. Let's say 17 get CJOs, that's 145 left to go, the trend has been 15 a month so 9 months from Aug 1 is May 1. All should be gone by May 1. Does my answer to my own question make sense?
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10-14-2017, 04:53 PM
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So vote with your feet. Leave EDV for that job. Stick it to DL!!
Originally Posted by Yumyum
Different times. They need us more than we need them. Until you understand that, we will never see eye to eye. I would have absolutely zero difficulty finding another 121 job. Bonus bonus bonus
10-14-2017, 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by SilentLurker
This guy gets it!
I guess the fear tactic of AA & DL using "Comair" is working.
Grow some balls people, different day and age.
They AA, DL, UA created a monster in our industry. 1st age 60 rule extension, a drastic change occurred in 2009 with the Colgan Air / United Express accident, and 2013/2014 with the 1500hr rule implementation.
Some of y'all need to take your thongs off and let your manhood dangle once in a while to remind yourself your not a little ..... boy. Put your big boy pants on, tighten your damn belt buckle & strap on your boots.
I guess the fear tactic of AA & DL using "Comair" is working.
Grow some balls people, different day and age.
They AA, DL, UA created a monster in our industry. 1st age 60 rule extension, a drastic change occurred in 2009 with the Colgan Air / United Express accident, and 2013/2014 with the 1500hr rule implementation.
Some of y'all need to take your thongs off and let your manhood dangle once in a while to remind yourself your not a little ..... boy. Put your big boy pants on, tighten your damn belt buckle & strap on your boots.
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