Originally Posted by Cannonball

Anybody try the pants from A Cut Above? Thoughts?


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Originally Posted by Thumper7

Can anybody explain LCA days to me? The contracts about as clear as mud.

Originally Posted by Irving Zisman

It seriously sickens me that this contract makes literally no mention with what we all consider the most important issue with this company moving forward post-bankruptcy. And that is, being able to smoke cigarettes on the flight deck. Nothing calms the nerves better after a grueling 30 minute flight like a pack of Newport cigarettes.

Originally Posted by Irving Zisman

It seriously sickens me that this contract makes literally no mention with what we all consider the most important issue with this company moving forward post-bankruptcy. And that is, being able to smoke cigarettes on the flight deck. Nothing calms the nerves better after a grueling 30 minute flight like a pack of Newport cigarettes.

Originally Posted by Casualinterest

I've literally watched a pilot on an unnamed airline (not us) vape up there. Really classy operation....

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Originally Posted by manfred33

You know what, as a smoker and one who owns an e-cig, I'm not sure what the problem is or how that makes one not "classy". I was gonna let it go, and maybe I should have, but i just couldn't. That's very judgmental. Although I do not routinely "vape" in the flight deck, I have. When I have wanted to, I always have had the courtesy to ask the person sitting next to me if they mind. I have yet to be told, no, please don't. As it is, I do not typically have the need to burn one and almost always am able to wait until we get to our destination and I am able to go outside. All that said, and with the knowledge that it is verboten in the flight deck or on the airplane, what is the problem? If you don't like it, tell the person you're flying with that wants to do it. It's not chewing tobacco, it's water vapor. I would just as soon have someone vaping next to me than someone that has a big huge dripping chaw in their mouth and a spit cup in the cup holder. And there are definitely those who do chew and I am pretty sure they are not going to stop just because you don't think it's "classy". And I sure hope you preface your requests to not partake in those activities in the flight deck with "that's not classy!" and see how that goes over. We're not supposed to touch our cellphones or access the wifi in flight either, but it is the rare occasion that I DON'T see guys on their devices during a flight, either when I am flying or when I have been jumpseating. And I jumpseat on DAL, AA, Spirit, JetBlue, Republic, etc... I guess that is not classy either, right? Same goes for sterile cockpit. That rule gets broken all the time too. Or how about the guys that leave the flight deck a pig stye? Getting crumbs everywhere or spilling sh*t and not cleaning it up? That to me is FAR less classy than vaping in the cockpit. Do I do all that stuff all the time? No, but I do sometimes(i do clean up after myself though). Do I agree with any of that or want there to be smoking on airplanes again? Hell no. But please don't talk about what's classy unless you don't ever do any of those things and are the model pilot....

Originally Posted by manfred33

You know what, as a smoker and one who owns an e-cig, I'm not sure what the problem is or how that makes one not "classy". I was gonna let it go, and maybe I should have, but i just couldn't. That's very judgmental.

Originally Posted by Blueskies21

Hey Manfred- I don't disagree with you on the unneeded comment on whether something is classy or not but the majority of your post isn't suitable for discussion on a public forum. Perfectly fine to discuss in the cockpit or in the crew room but probably not worth mentioning here.

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Originally Posted by madeinUSA

Don't put your first officer in that position.